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May 25 2008 11:24am
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what is with this def whore shit... only 10 secs off screen!?! it sounds like a bullshit rule melee characters try to enforce if they can't beat a caster. enigma is avaliable to every character. if you choose to play a character that can't utilise tele then too bad because you made that choice. it doesn't give you the right to try to enforce a ridiculous rule such as "only allowed to be off screen for 10 secs". i have a new rule, offense whore, if you shaper is dueling my nec you can only be in my screen for a max of 10secs.... see how ridiculous this is?



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uhm no i don't see how rediculous it is, if you can't get on someones screen it means you can't name lock and you can't duel for shit k tanx.

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May 25 2008 12:20pm
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uhm no i don't see how rediculous it is, if you can't get on someones screen it means you can't name lock and you can't duel for shit k tanx.


He's obviously not number 1 if he lost to a wolf. As for a Nec playing defensively, it's not like he is going to let you hit him...
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May 25 2008 01:17pm
Quote (lims101 @ Sun, May 25 2008, 04:21am)
what is with this def whore shit... only 10 secs off screen!?! it sounds like a bullshit rule melee characters try to enforce if they can't beat a caster. enigma is avaliable to every character. if you choose to play a character that can't utilise tele then too bad because you made that choice. it doesn't give you the right to try to enforce a ridiculous rule such as "only allowed to be off screen for 10 secs". i have a new rule, offense whore, if you shaper is dueling my nec you can only be in my screen for a max of 10secs.... see how ridiculous this is?


your just a retard tho.
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May 25 2008 01:35pm
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your just a retard tho.


If you want to catch a person with teleport, use a character that has more mobility. You'll be at a serious disadvantage if you don't.

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If you want to catch a person with teleport, use a character that has more mobility. You'll be at a serious disadvantage if you don't.


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If you want to catch a person with teleport, use a character that has more mobility. You'll be at a serious disadvantage if you don't.


yeah but if you go to ld and make a topic called "who's #1 necro east ladder?" guess who they will tell you.

even with teleport most charecters have to get fairly close to hit to have any accuracy at all. That's why bone necros and tele boas and sins with witchwild are a pain in the ass.


And yeah there is a serious disadvantage to no teleport, but there is a serious advantage to the second fastest attack, the highest melee damage attack and the most life of any charecter.
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yeah but if you go to ld and make a topic called "who's #1 necro east ladder?" guess who they will tell you.

even with teleport most charecters have to get fairly close to hit to have any accuracy at all. That's why bone necros and tele boas and sins with witchwild are a pain in the ass.


And yeah there is a serious disadvantage to no teleport, but there is a serious advantage to the second fastest attack, the highest melee damage attack and the most life of any charecter.


-3 frame normal attack
-7/3/3/3... Kick
-Whirlwind
-Zeal
-Fury

It's not the 2nd fastest... As for highest melee damage attack, that goes to Charge. Most life goes to BearBarbs. Wolves have no place in competitive PvP.
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-3 frame normal attack
-7/3/3/3... Kick
-Whirlwind
-Zeal
-Fury

It's not the 2nd fastest... As for highest melee damage attack, that goes to Charge. Most life goes to BearBarbs. Wolves have no place in competitive PvP.


bear barbs are an absoute complete joke and i don't even think it's true that they have more life. Charge is not a melee attack. fury is faster than zeal and is pretty much as fast as whirlwind.
6-4-4-4-4

i'm not going to bother with the other coment except with this, i hold up teams in 4v4 and it is not uncommon at all for me to whipe out the entire other team. I make foh useless, prevent anything from telestomping my teams boazon, kill any tpk char in less than a second 90% of the time and tank for my team with the same life as 3 typical casters. Ok so i will argue besides tpk they do have a place, just a more limmited one than some. But bvc, ww sins, zons can't touch a hammerdin, the most common charecter in the game. I have met 3 hammerdins who beat me with any regularity. Those are suposedly competitive duelers so i dunno : /

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May 25 2008 02:15pm
I like it.
I made 1, and have done my best to have minimal gear swaps.
With pure rabies, however, the biggest problem is balancing dmg, res,ar, and life.
You can get amazing dmg, but be walking around with negative res/no dr%/14k ar without angelics/4k life
or u could have lower dmg, that cannot kill every char in 1 hit >.>, but be able to tank attacka for a while.
Tough choice, and nice guide ^^
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May 25 2008 02:47pm
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bear barbs are an absoute complete joke and i don't even think it's true that they have more life. Charge is not a melee attack. fury is faster than zeal and is pretty much as fast as whirlwind.
6-4-4-4-4

i'm not going to bother with the other coment except with this, i hold up teams in 4v4 and it is not uncommon at all for me to whipe out the entire other team. I make foh useless, prevent anything from telestomping my teams boazon, kill any tpk char in less than a second 90% of the time and tank for my team with the same life as 3 typical casters. Ok so i will argue besides tpk they do have a place, just a more limmited one than some. But bvc, ww sins, zons can't touch a hammerdin, the most common charecter in the game. I have met 3 hammerdins who beat me with any regularity. Those are suposedly competitive duelers so i dunno : /


It's not as fast as whirlwind.

Whirlwind is hits once at frame 4 and 8. Every 4 frames after that it hits two times. Wolves have no place in tpk. You have obviously never been in a real tpk match seeing how you mention FoH in tpk and the fact that you would even consider using a wolf. You aren't supposed to tank in tpk, but rather avoid shots. As for Hammerdins, the ones you dueled were bad and obviously did not know how to fight a wolf.

As for the Bear Barb comment, they are a novelty build just like wolves.

Still waiting for Bullseye to make a D2PK account...

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uhm no i don't see how rediculous it is, if you can't get on someones screen it means you can't name lock and you can't duel for shit k tanx.


name locking is just ONE way to kill someone. maybe you were too caught up in your absurd "gm" rules to realise this? maybe you couldn't quite grasp the concept the first time around so i'll tell you again. enigma is avaliable to EVERYONE. if you choose to give up the advantage of being able to teleport then you deal with sacrificed mobility.

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And yeah there is a serious disadvantage to no teleport, but there is a serious advantage to the second fastest attack, the highest melee damage attack and the most life of any charecter.


Surely then even you, with the second fastest attack, the highest melee damage attack and the most life of any charecter[sic], should understand how ridiculous it is to expect a caster, who naturally has very low life (in order to have a reasonably fair and balanced game), to stand in your screen and let you melee them to death. casters generally have low life and ranged attacks, therefore need to be (mostly) defensive to win. while, melee characters generally have high life and close range attacks, therefore need to be (mostly) offensive to win. seems like a fair balance to me.

Quote (demonslayer1000 @ Sun, May 25 2008, 07:17pm)
your just a retard tho.


thank you for that juvenile response. a statement like that really highlights your intelligence level.
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