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Quote (Pimpslapper @ Nov 30 2009 02:31pm)
I tried a shaman in 1.10 and it just doesn't compare to a true fire druid IMO. 
When your bear goes down you are just left with a weak armageddon. 
Basically a weak fire druid.  No offense, I gather you enjoy your build, but I have honestly never lost to a shaman with my fire druid, which you consider an easy duel. 
If you play on Europe, messag me, I would like to see your strategies with your shaman.


that would indeed be a key part of your problem.


If your bear goes down, all you need to do is... recast it O_o. And every time it goes down, that means you just absorbed 5000 damage that would have hit you instead.
If resummoning your bear is too involved for you though, I suggest you not build a shaman. I've never lost to a fire druid on east- refer to the video for an example of what that duel looks like

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that would indeed be a key part of your problem.


If your bear goes down, all you need to do is... recast it O_o. And every time it goes down, that means you just absorbed 5000 damage that would have hit you instead.
If resummoning your bear is too involved for you though, I suggest you not build a shaman. I've never lost to a fire druid on east- refer to the video for an example of what that duel looks like


If you were hit by a 25k FB, you think the bear will just absorb it? No, since it's splash damage. Even if you were a summoner nec with 60 spawns, you would still die, because not all attacks are individually hit.

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except that if you were hit by 25k fireball, the next thing that would happen to you is you get hit by another 25k fireball and another, and then die, because you're in FHR too.


You're only making my point even stronger..? Care to elaborate on how the bear will be any good here?

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If you were hit by a 25k FB, you think the bear will just absorb it? No, since it's splash damage. Even if you were a summoner nec with 60 spawns, you would still die, because not all attacks are individually hit.


except that if you were hit by 25k fireball, the next thing that would happen to you is you get hit by another 25k fireball and another, and then die, because you're in FHR too.



(thats the reason you try to teleport behind FB sorcs- they do enough damage to put your bear into fhr, meaning you can't trade hits with them head on- both you and your bear get FHR locked)

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You're only making my point even stronger..? Care to elaborate on how the bear will be any good here?


What exactly is your point? Nothing will help you in that situation. No skill would help you, ofc bear won't.
Getting hit by a chain of fireballs = dead for anyone that doesn't absorb it or doesn't have 7k HP to not get FHR'd.


You could be a wind druid or bone necro or whatever
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Quote (Hajonston @ Dec 2 2009 07:09am)
What exactly is your point? Nothing will help you in that situation. No skill would help you, ofc bear won't.
Getting hit by a chain of fireballs = dead for anyone that doesn't absorb it or doesn't have 7k HP to not get FHR'd.


You could be a wind druid or bone necro or whatever


Oh alright, I thought you were on this guide's side by trying to persuade me how to defend from every other type of opponent.
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Quote (Hajonston @ Dec 1 2009 11:09pm)
What exactly is your point? Nothing will help you in that situation. No skill would help you, ofc bear won't.
Getting hit by a chain of fireballs = dead for anyone that doesn't absorb it or doesn't have 7k HP to not get FHR'd.


You could be a wind druid or bone necro or whatever


invincible sosa can absorb over 8001 fbs
wow how is she so invincible
oh this is why:
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invincible sosa can absorb over 8001 fbs
wow how is she so invincible
oh this is why:
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww114/sharpnips/sIGNATURE.jpg


Ah yeah never thought of that.
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Oh alright, I thought you were on this guide's side by trying to persuade me how to defend from every other type of opponent.


No, thats not the point.

If you teleport into a fire sorcs fireballs, you will die. If you teleport into a hammerdins hammers, you will die. If you let yourself get hit by rabies, you will (eventually) die. This is not a guide to a class that says "everyone simply drops dead". If thats what you want, go stack an auradin or aurasorc. The point of the shaman is to have tactical advantage, not to insta-win. It is not a build that takes little skill and gives high rewards- it is a build that takes high skill and gives even higher rewards. You win by not putting yourself into the position that a fireball sorc is going to hit you. It is easier to wear her down with fissures, easier to land a volcano/bear combo than it is for her to hit you. Thats tactical advantage.


The foremost thing about a shaman is realizing that it is a build that takes a lot of skill to use. A class like a joderdin might seem good because it takes absolutely no skill and will still give you fair number of kills- a Shaman is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Unless you're a very good dueler, you'll simply die a lot. But in the hands of a good dueler, a shaman can do things that no other build can come close to- that is its advantage. So if your PvP experience boils down to "run headlong into fireballs and pray she dies first" it is not the character for you.
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Just don't get hit. Ever.


FINISH HIM!! K.O.! PERFECT SCORE!!
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