the 35 % cb are superious to hl because they walk right though the bone armor
means that the first hp he will loose will come most of the time from cb
more life means more cb dmg so that rocks him down like nothing else you always face the armor first and have to consider you will always need to break it no mather what

hl double ur pys dmg but this will be sorbed by the armor
besides that gface also adds good ds boosts....
no visi on earth (yes even mine) could beat this...

This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 25 2011 01:18pm

whats your vis?

also, dont forget the ias boost as well as the jewels options in gface.

and the 30frw to avoid spears and spirits when golem slows u down

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Sep 25 2011 01:22pm

You can't use wf set-up with gulli, you also lose the vis/frw bonuses.

wf set-up means?

zomg i run 5% slower
zomg i only have 5000 ar vs a oponent with 900 def after i casted cos
ur argument is invalid




got 2x

2 20 visi 17 dex 24 life 2s
2 20 visi 14str 19 dex 2s
soxed 2x 15 40
and 2x 9 9 29 59

The oponents to run a visi are:

Palys def
Baba def
Sins cos [- def] is a curse (countered by fade is a few sec) but cos still adds the +def ... means that a sin has more def than any other caster or w/e ,other than paly or baba ,when it faces mirror oponents

the def of a sin is arround 3000 while a nec with 2400 def drops down to 900 def...after cos

conclution--> you can cut the visi vs any other class w/o of any ar lack issues

/e

donate cause im awesome and you all seem to be not able to think outside the box

This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 25 2011 01:52pm

war fist primary 9 fpa traps, i.e. a fuckload more average damage than the typical suw/feral set-up. AR equates to higher DPS. Gulli/fcr amulet will not outdamage Circ/highlords.

Higher frw is a useful gameplay mechanic for tactical players, but I suppose it's not as useful if you can't even break through bone armour.

i can use bos vs necs?
frw is usefull when you made a mistake... yes call it a tactical player ^^ ... besides that... you have bos???
you dont have to worry about frw or claw ias
lol





This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 25 2011 01:57pm

If you believe that frw is only useful when mistakes have been made, then our discussion is over. I shouldn't have bothered in the first place since you seem to believe that bone armour is difficult to break.

thx now its rly a funny picture
cant believe it

lol

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Sep 25 2011 05:35pm

what do you think max?

2sin/20fcr/vis/30str/60life/2soc vis 2x 30ed/60ar/9str/9dex jewels (or 40/15) + highlords + dancers
this gives much more ar (10k ar chaos side) aka higher chance to hitcheck (so more hits but weaker hits) - 4.8k ww on screen - what i currently use

vs

gface w/ 30ed/60ar/9str/9dex (or 40/15) + 2sin/20fcr/30str/60life/mana/mana regen ammy + gores
this gives lower ar (5.5-6k ar chaos side) but more cb, ow, and ds etc... (so less hits but more harder hits) - moxer's idea

both setups will have 48fhr due to enigma of duress

heres AR/hit check chart



This post was edited by Azn Masta on Sep 25 2011 08:18pm