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Sep 6 2009 06:56pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Mon, Sep 7 2009, 12:52am)
don't worry ill leave blizz sorcs & bone necros intact
archiacox was around a long time ago


blizz sorcs and bone necros can be played offensively and defensively.
But it seems every trapper I face, the second they low life, they are l8z chars. Does shaman pull that off?

btw, 99/99 ftw? why dont you go max block? save you an extra time or two. I know you said it doesnt fully save you, you will still lose, but its nice if you arent used to the char.
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Quote (deathwinger @ Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 01:30)
Yah, fire druids are ok, but tend to be weak because of their lack of ability to follow up on attacks and be offensive in general.
I've seen a few good ones, but their best tactic is just to make you chase them through fissures/geddon. Shaman could do the same thing with just slapping on mass facets/ravenlore, yet is so much more


volcano chainlocks wheee
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Quote (Tails chao @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 08:04pm)
volcano chainlocks wheee


chainwut?

once you cast it once you uh can't do anything with a fire druid O_o
with a shaman you can chainlock volcano --> grizzly combos.

@soccer

I find that the very few matchups where max block would ever help (bvc, bowazon, charger), you simply do not need it; bvcs/smiters are only going to be slain with fissure control and only the rarest, most well timed bearstrikes, which never puts you in the way of their attacks; and even if you did have max block, if a bvc tri-whirls you, you are dead. So losing your damage effectiveness for survivability that doesn't help you survive, well, not worth it. And bowazons are so laughable in general it simply doesn't matter. But yes it would be nice against some of the better bowazons

But why cripple your build for 9/10 matchups just to fight 1/10?
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Sep 6 2009 09:23pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 04:22)
chainwut?

once you cast it once you uh can't do anything with a fire druid O_o
with a shaman you can chainlock volcano --> grizzly combos.

@soccer

I find that the very few matchups where max block would ever help (bvc, bowazon, charger), you simply do not need it; bvcs/smiters are only going to be slain with fissure control and only the rarest, most well timed bearstrikes, which never puts you in the way of their attacks; and even if you did have max block, if a bvc tri-whirls you, you are dead. So losing your damage effectiveness for survivability that doesn't help you survive, well, not worth it. And bowazons are so laughable in general it simply doesn't matter. But yes it would be nice against some of the better bowazons

But why cripple your build for 9/10 matchups just to fight 1/10?


keep a nl on them still and just stomp re-lock when they're about to go off screen

it is for all intents a chainlock, just with a delayed skill
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what are you dueling, crash test dummys? O_O
The only times I've ever namelock volcano chained someone is when they're fleeing with 5% hp or something.

You can't just sit there for 4 seconds and not expect them to rock your world :wacko:
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Sep 6 2009 11:01pm
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what are you dueling, crash test dummys? O_O
The only times I've ever namelock volcano chained someone is when they're fleeing with 5% hp or something.

You can't just sit there for 4 seconds and not expect them to rock your world :wacko:


not when they're being locked!

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Volcano:
Your primary targetted attack. This leads your volc/bear combo which is your bread and butter, and can blocklock/fhr lock your opponents to death. It serves as targetted damage against stationary opponents & interrupting teleporters. It is easily the most versatile spell in all of d2: You can use it like FOH, to rail down a single target, or you can use it like blizzard to haze an AOE, and you can deal both fire *and* physical damage with it, put opponents into *both* fbr & fhr. It is also incredibly hard to aim for newcomers, and clunky, with a moderately long timer delay, meaning you often get 1 shot with it, and then have to pull back if you missed.


of course this won't apply for 95 es sorcs, smiters, barbs etc but if someone is stupid enough to try and outtank you while being volcano'd then just teleport on top of them and abuse minion stack, the defense that provides is enough.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Sep 6 2009 11:01pm
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thats the silliest thing I ever heard.

I don't even stay on top of people for a second when I am swiping them with a volcano/grizzly combo, and you're telling me you try to do it with a druid who has to twiddle his thumbs for 4 seconds?
Volcano doesn't pin people down indefinitely. It locks them up just for a split second or two based on luck. If it held someone down 4 seconds, they would already be dead.

Almost every character will outtank you if you try to just sit on a volcano, sans grizzly. Smiters, chargers, hammerdins, bvc's, es sorcs, necros, windys, strafing bowazons, cs zons, wwsins, trappers, all melees, i could go on.
Volcano is a great spell for doing instantaneous combos to trip someone up, but expecting people to sit on it and die before you do is foolhardy
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Sep 6 2009 11:51pm
?...

I had fire druid dittos at one point using PERFECT GEAR on d2pk, the only thing my druid could do when he volcano'd me was to wsg out, I hope you're not implying that someone can just randomly ignore volcano's locking properties and sit there spamming shit at you.

you keep the lock in-case they teleport out
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Quote (Tails chao @ Mon, Sep 7 2009, 12:51am)
?...

I had fire druid dittos at one point using PERFECT GEAR on d2pk, the only thing my druid could do when he volcano'd me was to wsg out, I hope you're not implying that someone can just randomly ignore volcano's locking properties and sit there spamming shit at you.

you keep the lock in-case they teleport out


did you really need me to spell that out for you?
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did you really need me to spell that out for you?


I wasn't lagging, and I don't see how it'd revoke my ability to hurt someone in a situation I usually can do, considering I can spear the shit out of sins if they don't set up a good lock
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