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if item based -td works as you say it does then edc would hit like shit ..

but edc hits exactly like its doing -16.5% to td in pvp ..

item based -td is item based -td ..

whether it be -25 from eth (as with botd and we all know the -td in botd works well) or -33 from a unique weapon such as edc ..

i will try to find the proof .. but yeah .. -td from items works the same regardless of where it comes from ..

and it always works on total defense ..

not base defense ..

You should just test your options and use which works for you best in the end

meathead .. im not trying to have an argument here ..

but as long as people continue to disagree with me i cant help myself ..

I'm not arguing, just saying that that's the best way to go around with it, theory crafting never works in D2

i dont mean with you .. i mean with fusa

The problem with the -td theory is melee is so random that it's hard to even tell what's working and what's not

well its moderately difficult to tell with only -25 ..

you really have to do a lot of duels to get some idea number wise which way things are leaning ..

but with -50 the difference should be clear within a set or two ez .. since the hit% bonuse should be greater than fools ar ..

fools ar is noticable ..

however .. its obvious that the -td from edc works ..

you can get away with much less ar with edc than with other weapons because of it ..

so then one of two things is happening imo ..

1. i am wrong and -td from eth rune works only on base defense

2. eth rune doesnt work in pvp at all .. ie disabled .. probably from when they fixed the eth bug ..

i strongly do not believe in option 1.

Or -td could be capped at -33?

also .. if it does work on base defense .. does it remove the defense before it can be multiplied by ed ??

if so .. then thats exactly the same result as if you just remove from the final defense ..

so then .. heheh .. i guess that question is rather pointless isnt it ??

obviously it would get removed after ed multiplier ..

otherwise eth eth would work in an obvious way .. i would know it .. and this whole damn conversation would never have started in the first place ..