i knew my logic was ez to follow ..

it was frustrating having to be so redundant ..

Lol yeah you typed it pretty clearly so not to sure how it was misunderstood but whatev. Anyway on topic I haven't tested out eth/eth vs lo/lo to much myself so can't really comment on that issue. Although it wouldn't make sense that eth in a runeword would be any diff than eth in a wep by itself so it should have the same effect..an eth rune should remove 12.5% def from an opponents overall def.

yeah .. theoretically it is 12.5% off final defense ..

where as skill based -def% removes from ed% ..

so if you have -50% from skill and opponent has 250% ed then he now has 200% ed ..

so small diff ..

but with eth rune it removes from final defense .. which is significant ..

2x eth runes is actually more of an improvement toward hit% than fools ar is ..

yet i just dont see any real difference when i eth eth it ..

i may try again just to be sure ..

Yeah that is how it does (or should) work.

Assuming blizzard has not changed this since 1.10, -target def only works on the def before any bonuses (e.g. holy shield) have been applied. That's why putting an eth in a weapon is rather pointless.

Nope

this is incorrect

item based -def works on final defense ..

edit:

in otherwords eth rune should work the same way as the -33td in edc ..

which we all know works quite well ..

This post was edited by Lord_Spanky on Oct 26 2010 03:17pm

Actually this was proven by people who studied the game code at another d2 site years ago.

youre funny..

thanks for reminding me why i should never try to help anyone on these boards. i had totally forgotten that jsp was only about meaningless spam and flame. thx thx