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Quote (CompanyOfThree @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 01:10)
Yeah, you have a low ww/ berserk and then the remaining points into leap. The core points are the masteries and double swing which synergizes double throw, and Bo ofc. It's a balance between the two attacks (ww + bersker/ throw).



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yas. cry?

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That would not sound that way if you would mention that necro wont stand still waiting for you to kill the golem while he is spamming bonespirits, which he does no need to aim with, unlike you.

We both know thats not how bone spirits work. For duels against competent people, they are almost always flying in a straight line unless they're namelocked

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And even after you manage to kill the golem, he will recast it and have a new "shield" pet. Its way easier for necro to be defensive spamming spirits than you being defensive and trying to hit with lacerators - lets forget the fact that he can decrepify you - and that wont be that easy to counter for you, at least not with 15 ias jool in arreats ;)

Yes decrep can be a bitch, depending on what rules you consider GM or not. But even with golem recast, you're looking at an AMP damage'd necro against a BvC. If you penetrate his bone armor with even a single hit, hes a dead undead man.

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Once more thing - you have 2 masteries maxed on your barb. That leaves you with either weak ww, low leap lvl or low berzerk, no?

1 pt zerk is enough for anything, dumping points into it was always silly. But yes, the sacrifice with my build is 1 ww instead of 20, but the damage is sufficient enough, and when the target is amped, its clearly dealing more damage than a normal BvC. Yeah thats the trade off, so the WW is slightly weaker than a pure WW bvc, but thats a matter of the build itself. After all, once a necro is amped, if I whirlwind him, hes dead. It doesn't matter if my ww is level 1 or 20 at that point.


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p.s.: I really dont want to sound cocky, but doublethrow barb would not stand more than 1% chance to win vs every of the barbs I know.
Again, that probably is a nice build for you - since you are defending it - and probably can be a cheap solution to have some fun in pvp. I prefer to stay itemlame^^


And theres not a single barb I know that could go 99 to 1. You are completely exaggerating. Sure, there are barbs that with my current gear, I might go 1 to 9 against, maybe even 1 to 19. And thats pretty bad, but hey, thats better than a BvC would do, and thats with a budget build. Against an average BvB, I would go between 25:75 & 50:50. Against a BvB with equivalent gear, I would go 90:10, easy.

I think the main thing here is that you're really really underestimating the damage output of lacerators. Its easier for me to hit at a range with my lacerators than it is for a bvb to whirlwind me, thats purely a matter of mobility, and a BvC should easily win a mobility race. It doesn't make it easy by any stretch, but no BvB is going to win 100% of his duels against it.
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Apr 27 2009 05:23pm
Quote (CompanyOfThree @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 11:10pm)
Yeah, you have a low ww/ berserk and then the remaining points into leap. The core points are the masteries and double swing which synergizes double throw, and Bo ofc. It's a balance between the two attacks (ww + bersker/ throw).

e: I think I have it semi-right, but not sure.


yup correct <3
I've been doing:
20 throw mastery
20 axe mastery
20 double swing
20 battle orders
1 double throw
1 frenzy
1 zerk
1 whirlwind
1 increased speed
1 natural resist
1 battle command
1 battle cry
Remaining points into leap

The first thing people say when they see that is zomg, 1 point ww!. But the thing is, after a lot of consideration, and a lot of discussion, we figured out that 20 axe mastery / 1 ww > 1 axe mastery / 20 whirlwind, so to speak. Its 5ed/8ar vs 8ed/5ar, except that axe mastery increases your critical strike and whirlwind increases your mana cost :rolleyes: so thats why its laid out like that. But mostly, it was a matter of playtesting. I've found that my whirlwind damage is already high enough to kill just about anyone as it is, and once I amp someone its a 1 hit kill usually, so whats the difference? Its debatable if its better than a pure bvc, but thats an argument for *another day*
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Lol XxXMFCOLD_PKXxX will dodge so i win^^
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Apr 28 2009 03:25am
such a cry topic!
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such a cry topic!


send 660 fg or me makes you cry as well :evillol:

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same goes for you!

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send 660 fg or me makes you cry as well :evillol:

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same goes for you!


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anyway, look that ^^ "Sure, there are barbs that with my current gear, I might go 1 to 9 against, maybe even 1 to 19. And thats pretty bad, but hey, thats better than a BvC would do, and thats with a budget build. Against an average BvB, I would go between 25:75 & 50:50. Against a BvB with equivalent gear, I would go 90:10, easy."

i bet that using rand arre / storm / verdu / eni / draks / ravens x 2 + hl and torch + anni ( nn inv , i desynk) any rand could give him a straight 10-0 ^^
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Quote (Dawn Of Victory @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 11:47)
lag

anyway, look that ^^ "Sure, there are barbs that with my current gear, I might go 1 to 9 against, maybe even 1 to 19. And thats pretty bad, but hey, thats better than a BvC would do, and thats with a budget build. Against an average BvB, I would go between 25:75 & 50:50. Against a BvB with equivalent gear, I would go 90:10, easy."

i bet that using rand  arre / storm / verdu / eni / draks / ravens x 2 + hl and torch + anni ( nn inv , i desynk) any rand could give him a straight 10-0 ^^


Well, perhaps the barbs on his realm are that b4d... As I already said :
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I really dont want to sound cocky, but doublethrow barb would not stand more than 1% chance to win vs every of the barbs I know.


Perhaps he could go 25/75 vs M(f)ath tho ^_^
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