Quote (clan_iraq @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 05:42pm)

Sure thing chief! A 451 psn damage sc costs about 600 fg on sc/e/l right now, so thats only 22000 FG in poofable charms

Quote (clan_iraq @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:35)

......and back in reality land, where people play barbarians and not supercomputer overlords that never make mistakes, I have a good fight against most BvB's, and some kill me. I can kill a good chunk of them with just outplaying them, and some outplay me. I think you're not taking into account that neither player is going to be *perfect*, but the throwbarb has an easier time hitting the whirlwind barb than the bvb has hitting the thrower. In a perfect duel, it would be a stalement, but with equally skilled, medium level players, a throwbarb can win eventually, even if its a hard duel for him

A BvC is made for killing casters, but they still have difficulty against max block/dr bone necros with clay golem & lots of fhr/recast/fcr. Isn't that necro a caster? Just because its named a BvC doesn't mean he automatically wins. Sure, a BvC still has a good chance vs a necro, and its not automatically in either classes favor, but hes not going to win just because he was made for killing casters, and a necro is a caster. A BvB is made for killing other barbarians that whirlwind, and that is something they are good at. They are not, however, made for killing other barbarians that use throwing axes or guided arrows. These are things a BvB would rather be a BvC for, for the extra fcr and leap and such.

And before you ask, I do ok against other BvC's, maybe a 50/50 draw. But this is purely because those BvC's tend to have 10000x my value in items (I'm using a 34/341 grief, 0 life from charms, etc). The very fact that I can go even with them is simply due to my amp damage advantage, so to speak. Otherwise, if I went pure BvC against them, I'd watch them rape the pantaloons right off me.

Quote (clan_iraq @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:36)

a poison barb is sexier than that, with his 2x um'd deaths webs, 37x 451 poison scs, his widowmaker, and his palace of gold (because who the fuck has 37x 451 charms?)
Did you know that a psn barb can drain a 75% resist, 7000 HP barbarian to 1 hp with a single arrow? (and 20 seconds of patience >.>)

Quote (kaerrevival @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 05:54pm)

how did a thread that started with some retard complaining about barbs taking 3 blizzes reach 65 pages?

Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 10:48pm)

I have bolded/sized the part which pretty much displays what I am saying
Maxblock necros are hardest opponents for a bvc anyway. Bvc should not be cut down to "killing ONLY casters" anyway, honestly I have yet to find a smiter (which is all but caster lol) which could give me a trouble while playing bvc.

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Wealthy bvb will have over 6k life along with maxblock/huge def - that alone makes it pretty much impossible to kill for bvc barbs /hybrids.
I wont repeat myself - we already agreed that widow with alot of OW would be even better than a lacerators barb - since GA does not require ar to hit, and you dont actually need to aim with GA.

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Amp dmg will be your advantage only if you manage to land a hit which will proc amp. That makes the story completey different. Thats all what I´m trying to tell you
I dont doubt that you have fun with your barb - dont get me wrong. All I try to say is that a throwbarb can win eventually, with alot alot aloooooooooooot of luck, when all the factors come together - good aiming, enough hits, casting amp on early hit. But honestly, how often do you have such factor-constellation?

Quote (darkkobra @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:48)

Thats nothing new - still, antidots>

Quote (kaerrevival @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:54)

how did a thread that started with some retard complaining about barbs taking 3 blizzes reach 65 pages?

Quote (Faelwen @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 05:55pm)

wat is an anti-dot ? antidote lag ?

Quote (clan_iraq @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:55)

Interestingly, Necros & Smiters are two of the matchup where I really really benefit from having those throwing axes. If a necro keeps a golem up, its an easy target to throw axes at, and when I do, the golem dies and they BOTH get amped, which leaves me open to face them a BvC vs a -50% DR, max block necro with no golem And all that without getting slowed. And smiters, well, I shouldn't have to tell you why throwing axes make that duel hilarious (you should see them charge at me in frustration)



Yah. Against most BvB's, my lacerators are sufficient. But against some really well geared ones, it makes me really want to slap on a widowmaker (i've been lazy to get one tbh)



about one out of three hits
jk

narr it takes luck, sure, but its not astronomical luck. Thats why its a hard duel. But I'd rather have between a 5% & 20% realistic chance to win (vs a great, competent barb. Against pubby BvB's, I go something like 90%), than to have a 0% chance to win.

Quote (Faelwen @ Tue, 28 Apr 2009, 00:55)

wat is an anti-dot ? antidote lag ?

Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 06:06pm)

That would not sound that way if you would mention that necro wont stand still waiting for you to kill the golem while he is spamming bonespirits, which he does no need to aim with, unlike you.
And even after you manage to kill the golem, he will recast it and have a new "shield" pet. Its way easier for necro to be defensive spamming spirits than you being defensive and trying to hit with lacerators - lets forget the fact that he can decrepify you - and that wont be that easy to counter for you, at least not with 15 ias jool in arreats

Once more thing - you have 2 masteries maxed on your barb. That leaves you with either weak ww, low leap lvl or low berzerk, no?