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- I would use obsession with es mana set up also, but only against windy druid or trapsin, which cases your oak die too ez to be useful, then 25% max hp from obsession will be good. Rest cases I will swap to hoto/shield, an oak can help me buff alot of hp, and can be used as a 1-hit shield in some situations.
- Trading hit with es is the best advantage of fire es sorc due to huge % dmg abs and fast mana regen. Sorc not strong at tanking. Without Es, a sorc not a sorc anymore due to lack of her real strength.

This post was edited by doantiep on Jun 17 2022 02:45pm

5.2k life is good life no matter class. Sorcs aren’t known for tanking but at 5.2k life, you are matching most other classes at top tier except for babas.

With 22k fire ball, against a char using 85% max fire res, your fire ball take away ~ 550 hp per hit. With 5k2 life:
- 5 hit bone spear (6k8 dmg) kill you, unable to regen hp fast. While you need at least 8x fire ball to kill a 4k life Nec with oak. With 95%es, its an autowin. You only lose 56 hp and ~1050 mana (quick regen) per hit.
- 6 tornado kill you (6k dmg physic, usually deal dmg twice times per hit), unable to regen fast. With 95es, you're allowed to wear 23%dr (gm), tornado takes away 77 life and 950 mana per hit, able regen fast.
- A max 12k dmg trap (6k average) takes away 260 hp (130hp average) if you're using thundergod, unable to regen. With 95es, 75res light, 8magic abs from spirit shield, you lose 9hp and 1k9 mana (no life and 950 mana at average), fast regen.
- a 16k dmg hammer take away 2666hp per hit, 2 hits kill you, if you have rep life to regen abit and can stand with a tiny life after get hit by 2x hammer, he can ez end you with foh, unable to regen fast. With 95es, a 16k hammer takes ~130 life and ~2500 mana per hit, you can regen fast and stand some hammers if you play carefully, not get hit too many times in short period.
- a smiter deal around 900-1k hp per smite against 50%dr char, so he need 6 smites, or hybrid with foh to kill you ezier while you cant regen fast. While with 95es 23dr, 1 smite takes 70-77hp and 1700-1900 mana, foh cant do anything with you, fast regen.
- against barb & bow, you usually swap to mb gear, that take away huge amount of life because you lose 25%max life from staff. And they can hit directly to your life. With es, your life not high, ow is a problem but at least, they cant directly deal dmg to your life.
- even against 5k2 vita sorc, if es sorc play carefully, not tanking (surely lose if tanking against vita sorc), just spam and tele away to trading hit. 95es 75res 8magic abs sorc lose 30 life and 3500 mana (22k dmg fire ball), vita sorc with 85res 8ma lose ~530 life (~10-11 balls kill you)

*** As I said above, the strength of sorc is in Es skill, best advantage of sorc is she can hit trading with others due to huge %es and fast regen, not tanking, and she so hard to be locked and killed quick in 1 stomp. No Es = no sorc.

- Base life of druid is lower than 5k2 life sorc, but he has a zoo for shield, oak buff huge life, element shield
- Sin has weapon block, a shadow demon, strong stun/knock back skill to cover
- hammer has same amount life, but his dmg is huge to cover the defense disadvantage against casters.
- bow has passive
- barb has much higher life
- even a Nec can tank better than vita sorc

You think 5k2 life sorc is good, but actually she has no passive skill to tank, ez to be fhr, no oak to be used as a shield, her dmg against 85max fire res also not too high.

Yeah all those calculations you did are nice and all, but please explain why 9/10 sorcs on SvS ladder are vita non block. I’ll wait.

And don’t forget, majority of blizz pvp were vita / mb, no ES. And that’s with 3.5k life at the top end. In PVA, vita sorc will always suffer vs ES, but Y’all acting like an almost 2k life different isn’t important.

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Jun 17 2022 11:26pm

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- Sorc blizz build vita because she doesnt have enough skill point to spend in es, and she has huge dmg and huge res pierce, that makes her quite like hammerdin, no passive skill but have huge dmg to cover for her low defense. Its like a glass canon build. Even with 400% cold res (maximum cold res allowed in gm duel), blizz can still deal ~1k hp per hit.
- In SvS, vita Sorc surely better in tanking because she have more life and allowed to wear +max res / abs items. But as I said, es Sorc not strong at tanking, but strong at hit trading. If Es sorc play carefully enough, doesnt get hit multiple times in a short period (her mana has enough time to recover), Es sorc may win after a long duel of hit trading and mana recover. But of course, its really hard to play carefully in a long duel, 1 mistake you nearly die or die because 2x fire ball will blow away all mana, and 3x more to kill you (900hp/hit). Yah, an Es sorc with 2k life (~2k6-2k7 with oak) 4k mana will die if get 5x multiple fire balls at same time, , while its 11-12 hits for vita sorc. Thats why 9/10 sorcs on SvS you see are vita sorc. SvS tanking: Vita > Es, SvS hit trading: Es > Vita (but hard to not make mistake ).

Yup, and that was it when vita sorcs maxed out at 3.8-4k life. Now with obsession you can hit 5.2k life. Huge difference.

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when I said vita sorc can tank against 11-12 balls, thats when vita sorc has 5k2 life, not the 3k8-4k. With 3k8-4k life, its only 7. (~22k dmg fire balls)

- You decide to build vita sorc, you have higher advantage in tanking in SvS duel, but still have chance to lose, if you cant have a chance to end es sorc in 1 stomp, and let she trade hit. Against other class, you're weak, you lose the strongest ability of fire sorc, you cant tank against any class even with 5k2 life, and cant trade hit too because your dmg after res+abs is not high, and you cant regen. Even a bone Nec can win you, while with Es sorc, its like an auto win even Nec allowed to use hot spur. Thats a bad choice to build a vita sorc.
- Blizz sorc is another story, its like a glass canon build for sorc. Her skill point not enough to spend on Es and synergy. She sacrifies her hit trading ability to have huge dmg and res pierce. Thats a worthy sacrifice.
- Vita fire sorc sacrifies hit trading ability to have a bit higher life, but her dmg is still medium after res and abs, makes her weak against all other classes, not worthy at all.

So as I said, I will use obsession staff with es mana set up only against windy druid or trapsin, since oak die to fast & ez to be useful against those 2. 25% max life from staff will be good in these duels. Against other classes, I prefer hoto/spirit for rep life, mana, oak.

This post was edited by doantiep on Jun 18 2022 01:56pm