you can use ias/res jewel in armor if you want. you dont need LOH . you are not killing faster than me. you are using grief too? LOL stop posting

Loh>>draks anytime..

Also for this build id rather take grief over death to be honest. Faster attacks (and so jewelers armor nn)

Youll lose lots of damage by not using fort, or even eni (hhigh str, 2 skill).

E; draks are overrated...

Lets see the differece between loh and draj

Loh got 20 ias, 350 dmg to demons and 50 fire res

Wich is better then

Draks wich got ctc lifetap, some strenght and some ow and leech.

Ow is not needed, youll have enough leech, especially on grief setups. Life tap not needed too. Just play smart vs large packs, not that hard. 15 strenght is nice ofcourse.. but id rather have 350 dmg to demons and 50 fire res over 15 strenght, anytime

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Aug 21 2015 08:51am

you are spreading wrong information to people. stop posting.

Wrong information or not..

Loh is a loooot better then draks..

And thats a fact

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Aug 21 2015 08:52am

Enigma setup, correct. The only situation I would advocate for it (opening Chaos runs, and expecting 7 leechers to come).

I'm talking about random bots, randomly encountered while joining random chaos runs. I don't pretend anything against worldwide 1 bot, that I have no idea about.



Ok.
I personally feel that 30 (or 48) fcr is anyway too slow to make a good Baalrun opener (no maphack involved, remember).
And I don't run Andariel or Mephisto, except on the start of a ladder, when anyhow it's impossible to afford Jahs or Bers, for Dream or Enigma.

But that's a good point.

This post was edited by feanur on Aug 21 2015 09:04am

no, its not. its not even close. the ias does not help you if you are using edeath. YOU STILL NEED JEWELERS ARMOR.

the FR is not needed. you are sacrificing a lot for some FR that is easily handled with charms.

you are not killing faster than me even with loh on. and what about the half of the mobs in the game that arent demon? you will lag even further behind me on those

I would advocate for it for baal runs too, and andriel and mephisto

Well then we disagree, because I know I can c/t tele with 48fcr much faster to throne than you can charge through lvl 2, 3 and throne entrance. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, people do use map hack, so for those people we should just stipulate, enigma > any other build 100%.

Basically we've got to the main crux of the build, it's strong in open areas you clear, weak elsewhere, so there's no point in our discussion. It was pretty obvious anyway lol.

But there is the possibility of mage,arach,spirit switch for 75 fcr tele if you wanted to use this as your main char, rushing people, farming bosses, doing ut (1 point smite with LW) etc, it can be versatile and achieve any goal if setup right. Just for something different and cool. Hell... it even has 150mf.

inb4 hammerdin >

This post was edited by Marieusz on Aug 21 2015 09:27am

Using res charms is sacrificing your ar.... Wich makes you hit less > less dmg in the end.

Rather have high chance to hit and little lower dmg, then low chance to hit.

Ur dmg will be lower too without fort and loh though


So in the end:

Death/draks/jewelers:
High cb and ds and attack speed
low ar and lower dmg

Death/loh/fort:
As high cb/ds
Less ias
More ar and damage

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Aug 21 2015 09:20am

it's like
you have the truth in front of you
and say no
no
350ed doesn't increase dmg
no
i'm better