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#61
Aug 28 2014 01:52am
Quote (Master_Zappy @ 28 Aug 2014 02:12)
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/scumbag_stacy_zps9009d2a2.jpg

Quote (Breee @ 17 Aug 2014 19:15)
yy, ZB Arreat in ffa is powerful as well.

@Master_Zappy: i marked it in 3 ways, so maybe you get it now :rolleyes:

@topic: maybe it´s useful to explain how the combination of ds & cs works on a barb (for eth death cleaver setup)? or should this be basic knowledge? :P

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#62
Aug 28 2014 03:19am
eni/botd/arreat was a very good build years ago and on paper its still really nice but don't get fooled it doesn't get any chance vs 90% of those SA/visio build of nowadays
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#63
Aug 28 2014 04:10am
Quote (Hamm @ 28 Aug 2014 00:51)
You can remake "weapons" base infos.

Champion sword is not bvb weapon, because Range 1 less of other mentioned weapons (baxe,cb,cs,bb)
also very low damage base.

Legend sword very low damage base weapon really :/

really used Bvb weapons are only:
Baxe
Cb
Cs
BB
HB (good damage on MLD only)


that's pretty true. yes gonna change that

btw i'm going to Test a fools Legendary mallet
it got lower range but kickass dmg
maybe it Works, worth a try at least :D


@Daste
yeah well, that's rather Basic barb Knowledge, but i can add it.

the Point about edc cleaver is,
that it got additional -def & alot ds
negative is the "low" dmg of it.
also you have to use angelic, you'll loose much life,
compared to botd

it's for sure a weapon that works, as we tested it


and .. Zod Bugs are allowed in FFA BvB,
if People would read the rules it would be so much easier :D

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 28 2014 04:12am
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#64
Aug 28 2014 06:45am
edc is clearly worse than botd, the lower dmg doesnt compensate for the higher chance of doubling dmg

that alone would be enough, and botd also have 30attributes so... kinda useless to argue about that ^^

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#65
Aug 29 2014 08:06am
Quote (UberMensh @ 28 Aug 2014 14:45)
edc is clearly worse than botd, the lower dmg doesnt compensate for the higher chance of doubling dmg

that alone would be enough, and botd also have 30attributes so... kinda useless to argue about that ^^


I never said something different :D
I just know that EDC works fine in case some wanna use it, because I tested it^^
on an Eni build for example, where you got 7 k+ life anyway^^

Would be stupid just to write the "best" stuff in an Item guide btw.
there must be some variation in the gear you can choose.
and in AoW or BvB in general, gear isn't all you need.

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Aug 29 2014 10:31am
Quote (Breee @ Aug 29 2014 04:06pm)
I never said something different :D
I just know that EDC works fine in case some wanna use it, because I tested it^^
on an Eni build for example, where you got 7 k+ life anyway^^

Would be stupid just to write the "best" stuff in an Item guide btw.
there must be some variation in the gear you can choose.
and in AoW or BvB in general, gear isn't all you need.


Enigma for 45frw is an interesting variation even though you get less average damage.
Edc instead of botd is meaningless as you get less damage AND less life ^^

The weapon part should be the easiest part in such guide:
2s-eth-selfrep-270+ed-40ias fools > Eth selfrep 270ed-40ias fools > botd (if the adds are good, else botd >)
Anything else is worse than botd, and will most likely cost more than that so its pointless. Done ^^

You could add something explaining the reasons why aow rules were set maybe, as i see many ppl cant find reasons for those. That would make a good introduction imo
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Aug 29 2014 10:44am
Quote (UberMensh @ 29 Aug 2014 18:31)
Enigma for 45frw is an interesting variation even though you get less average damage.
Edc instead of botd is meaningless as you get less damage AND less life ^^

The weapon part should be the easiest part in such guide:
2s-eth-selfrep-270+ed-40ias fools > Eth selfrep 270ed-40ias fools > botd (if the adds are good, else botd >)
Anything else is worse than botd, and will most likely cost more than that so its pointless. Done ^^

You could add something explaining the reasons why aow rules were set maybe, as i see many ppl cant find reasons for those. That would make a good introduction imo



Well AoW was a German-League in the past.
the site was AoW-pvp.com.
it got closed @ 2009 and played since 2002 I think

here you can see the original rules, which have been used in those Leagues:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=190396

also this:

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DerGuN @ Nov 29 2011 05:15pm

the main rules are:
- max. 10% ow(ok, thats a playstyle rule ofc. nothing beats ow and if we would had allowed unlimited ow, there wouldnt be any fun, just lame hit and wait fights)
- no grief / forti allowed(so why is that. if both were an option, we wouldnt use anything else. its a fact both are plain bvb winners. nothing beats grief and nothing beats forti because of the huge defence and 300%ed. ok, another point was after the first ladder season a grief ba was pretty expensive after a reset. and if you want to create a big community, you have to create attractive entry rules.)
- max. 45% damage reduction(we could have said, 35% is the cap, but you would be forced to use rare belts only and it wouldnt be fun especially for entry players. so dungo is a cool thing in certain setups. also the replenishment cap is related to verdungos)

creating rules is one of the most important things in a pvp area. capping ow and replenishment, prevents lame play style. we wanted fun and agressive matches.
capping the damage reduction at 45% is the best break even point for every possible rare/unique/magic/crafted item setup. you can wear runewords, rare armors, unique armors, magicals. you can wear verdungos, ow belt or rare belts. you can wear runewords or rare weapons.

this is something you'll notice especially in pubs. everyone looks like the other, beside an armor type change of theyre fortis.
and thats why its fun and even after a couple of years so many ppl follow those rules, because they are absolutly unbeaten in flexibility.
we thought so many nights about a rules change or some different setups, how can it be more attractive or more flexible.


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Aug 29 2014 10:56am
Quote (UberMensh @ 29 Aug 2014 18:31)
Enigma for 45frw is an interesting variation even though you get less average damage.
Edc instead of botd is meaningless as you get less damage AND less life ^^

The weapon part should be the easiest part in such guide:
2s-eth-selfrep-270+ed-40ias fools > Eth selfrep 270ed-40ias fools > botd (if the adds are good, else botd >)
Anything else is worse than botd, and will most likely cost more than that so its pointless. Done ^^

You could add something explaining the reasons why aow rules were set maybe, as i see many ppl cant find reasons for those. That would make a good introduction imo


if an guy dosent understand why to play this barb vs barb duels nothing will happen .) this is running many years now, its 2014 and still exists.
Reason why aow rules was set as you questioned is clear and understandable, its more balanced duels as 400grief, 300forti 50dr on each character in field.

In this guide are all mostly used items, with not only eth self-rep armors and weapons as "best choice".. but more of uniques and rws, so you are now criticing an unique axe in guide, which is still pretty fine weapon with no reason really..
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#69
Aug 29 2014 11:51am
*** Coming updates***

- adding hl 08
- more detailed information about arreat (non eth, eth, 08)
- more detailed information about Eni
- correct "most common barb weapons" to BA, BB, CB, CS, (HB)
- add the DS/CS formula + example

more to add?
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#70
Aug 29 2014 05:49pm
Quote (Breee @ Aug 29 2014 06:44pm)
Well AoW was a German-League in the past.
the site was AoW-pvp.com.
it got closed @ 2009 and played since 2002 I think

here you can see the original rules, which have been used in those Leagues:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=190396
also this:


Uh interesting post, thats just what i meant when i said an introduction like that would help outsiders to understand aow rules and get close to it. Just the 45dr cap should be ampliated, since you clearly have more gear flexibility with 50dr as cap ^^

Quote (Hamm @ Aug 29 2014 06:56pm)
if an guy dosent understand why to play this barb vs barb duels nothing will happen .) this is running many years now, its 2014 and still exists.
Reason why aow rules was set as you questioned is clear and understandable, its more balanced duels as 400grief, 300forti 50dr on each character in field.

In this guide are all mostly used items, with not only eth self-rep armors and weapons as "best choice".. but more of uniques and rws, so you are now criticing an unique axe in guide, which is still pretty fine weapon with no reason really..


I don't think you got what i wrote...
I never said "aow rules are stupid", i just said itd be interesting to add an introductive section where the reasons behind them are explained. You can see by yourself how many ppl criticize them so i feel that would help.

About edc, i just said that its useless to analyze a edc gear when its clearly inferior to botd. Its just worse than that , so the only reason to use it would be for "style" if somebody likes that. Then why don't we talk about a death ba build? Or some other unique axe too, they sure can be cool


Ah and btw, its not true that duels are more balanced when there is no grief around, it just means that you have to use botd if you cant afford a 10kfg axe, and that you will really rock if you buy a 100kfg one.
Same for forti, if you cant afford 5k fg for an armour you HAVE TO use enigma.
Thats just the opposite of being balanced, and these are facts ^^

This post was edited by UberMensh on Aug 29 2014 05:56pm
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