Im sure skill matters, to a degree. Thats true even for zvz. I can see how skill matters, but honestly not a big difference from other melee vs melee.
The ww into some1 elses ww i do myself in bvc vs bvc (caster tvt duels xD)
And sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. Its really random (desynch plays a part here for sure)

But until ive seen a movie where skills are clearly the deciding factor, i can only judge from how bvb was when i tried and how it always been.

I'll ty to do a video. but its fuking easy to understand... if u hit the other between wws u can stun him and also, in this time u hit and the other not
at least the frames of the fhr+ cold freeze advantage u can get.
also we are not talking about to catch the other walking... and that happens several times.

also... mana/frw component. when u burn all mana if the other run faster he can catch u and get high advantage, but builds with more frw and mana have usually lower numbers than the others

This post was edited by FerGarD on Jun 30 2014 04:56am

Skill and ZvZ? I played alot zvz and all "skill" that is required is guiding your char to your opponent. ZvZ is PURE about luck and gear

BvC vs BvC is NOT BvB like we play it.
if you use no Shield or got low def, the duels are way faster over and more decided by luck, a bit about skills
It is similar to 2-hand BvB actually.. if you can't block or avoid hits with high def, it gets difficult to reach balanced duels

Desync of WW matters, related to the "range" you got, rather to the real position of you/your opponent
it is hard to understand how this works actually
took alot of time to figure out how it works for me
even after thousands of duels i can't tell you exactly what happens sometimes

Aye, probably Fergard and me can make a video

This post was edited by Breee on Jun 30 2014 05:06am

y, sure

because there is so much skills involved

you should know how to duel in bvb, else you´ll lose every single matchup.

Dont understand why some people are Hating here, there are Zeal vs Zeal, Smite vs Smite, Ama vs Ama etc. duels and all are Crapy Lames so why you telling that Barb vs Barb is also lame in this topic..

I think noone of players who want to dueling Barb vs Barb care about this..

AvA, SvS, ZvZ BvB evrything can be lame for each player.. life is different and people are different, someone likes paladin other one likes amazon.. it is normal.

You comparing ZvZ with BvC or BvB etc. omg this is not possible and what is this all about? If you dont like Barbarians, dont post in this topic.. simple.

This post was edited by Hamm on Jun 30 2014 05:32am

Y skill matters, that doesn't mean that its hard to learn bvb. but skill matters and u can lose a duell because u fail.
as i said i am talking about to get 1 or 2 extra hits for better skill... and that can make u win or loose.
Anyway I really dont care about what d u think about that, seriously...

lets say bvb is 100% gear+luck and nothing else if that makes u happy

This post was edited by FerGarD on Jun 30 2014 05:35am

You know i'm like plaing agresive I just laught about fat ass barb

e/ that situations some time happen don't realy remember in what Tour that was but i have opponent who was runing all the time like pussicat

This post was edited by kacefir on Jun 30 2014 06:08am

Who wonned?

good make the video
yes it's easy to understand. and to play... that's what ive bee trying to tell you.
the skill needed to perfect or atleast be sufficient "enough" at "hit the other between ww" = very basic.

Guessing or "predicting" if opponent does a long whirl or a short whirl is pretty much all luck. Sure, you can develop and read patterns if you met your opponent alot and learnt to "read" him/her. But these duels happens at such a slow pace it's not hard at all to go for meta game and avoid usual behaviour patterns.

Yes, zvz is on a retarded level skill wise. but you still have to move your mouse and click and hold. a 3 year old or most of monkey species probably would fail at it.
To me BvB is not far off, it is zvz's little more exciting but yet closely related cousin.

I am not even hating on bvbers or zvzers, as i said to each it's own. Im sure you're having a blast, especially building your chars.
But don't even think of it as you are doing skill-full duelling. No, the timing etc in the bvb isnt something hard to learn. OK it beats ZvZ I give you that.



d2jsp's finest going at it again
Ama vs Ama in this case, is really decided on skills. a lot of it.
Sorc vs sorc same thing...

I do like barbs, alot. probably one of my favourite characters. Because it's got so fast cast rate break points at the same time as being extremely aggressive (opposed to sorcs, whose also fast but not as offensive) = hard, fast paced, skill demanding gameplay. also WW and Zerk, Leap and War Cry. Very versatile and hard to master.


you and kacefir , so damn hard to understand :/

This post was edited by SpAz. on Jun 30 2014 07:06am