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Jun 1 2007 10:58am
why dont u use marrows ? -> lvl 33 bone prison!

otherwise u got lvl 35 .. (with summon skillers)

what else should i max if not prison ? revive up to level 44 with 44 monsters ? tongue.gif or stronger golems ..
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Jun 1 2007 11:19am
Uh, you Iron Maiden a Bvc and I guarantee one worth a damn will automatically lifetap you and your army as soon as they realize you're summoning. lol

Edit: God, this is a terrible guide.

This post was edited by De4dEyE on Jun 1 2007 11:21am
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ok im triing to do this:

gear: shako 7fhr 35 fire resi, mara, beast (cta), spirit35 (lidless), enigma bp, trangs, 2*bk, arach, marrows and 9 summon skiller (2*fhr and 7*lifer)

-> this should hit BOTH bp exactly smile.gif

skills:

sum: 20 mast, 20 raise, 20 mage, rest 1 but fire golem

curse: dont know .. i put 1 into amply, iron and life tap by now

pb: 1 armor, 1 teeth -> 20 bone spirit


i get the prison from boots.


resi: shield + shako : 35all + anni ~15 + torch ~17 + mara 27 + 30 anya = 124 -> missing 51 resi LOL !

should i use homu umd with 62 all resi insead ?



ty smile.gif



edit: bone spirit dmg is low ass - should i put the skills different ? in revive maybe ? -> would be 44 revives tongue.gif

This post was edited by fir3n on Jun 2 2007 12:39pm
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any1 ?

btw merc id use pride + gaze + (eth bramble - dont knwo it yet)
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Quote (fir3n @ Sun, Jun 3 2007, 09:47am)
any1 ?

btw merc id use pride + gaze + (eth bramble - dont knwo it yet)


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Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Trap Assassin[/u]: .... outcome of this duel depends on if they have mind blast or not...


They will have mindblast, the ones that don't are worthless pieces of shit that aren't even worth killing...

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

CS Zon: Easy ... might kill you before you can cast teleport.


if you die in 1 charged strike, your char needs remaking

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Barbarians:
BVC Barb: Easy
BVC barbs don’t use shields and take a lot of damage. Teleport away from this barb and Iron Maiden them. Teleport on them and they will kill themselves.


Rofl... a good bvc will use 50% DR and 7-8k life. If he knows how to Leap (well actually Leap is king on that build) you will easily get slaughtered. Iron Maiden doesn't work when he is hitting you (at least not as much as when he hits minions) and with Berserk, he is immune to Iron Maiden as it's Magic Damage. You won't win vs the good BvC's but I can immagine you trash random pubs.

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Sorceresses:
Orb Sorc: Easy

Just teleport on the sorc and they will take damage. Mages usually die very easy from frozen orb.

Blizzard Sorc
: Medium

Blizzard sorcs do massive damage to summons. Try to teleport on them as quickly as possible. Your revives will be doing the majority of the damage in this duel.

Fireball Sorc: Medium

Fireball does splash damage so be careful. I would recommend getting flying summons for this match up. The fireballs will do damage to they flying summons instead of you. Teleport on the fireball sorc and she will die quickly.


The only matchup you got right was light sorc and maybe orb. Good luck catching a 105 or even 200 fcr sorc with your 75... you just can't duel sorcs without 125 fcr, period. They can just stay out of your screen or get on it for half a sec to drop a blizz and they're away. 180 secs and your revies are all dead...

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)


Druids:



Elemental Druid
: Medium – Hard

Do Not Teleport On Them!!! They will tornado you to death. I would recommend circling the druid first and killing all the druid’s summons. Try to avoid tornados and do damage to them. This can be a hard match up at times.


Hurricane > Summons. Period. They don't even need that tornadoes to kill them. And while the druid can recast his summons, you can't. You just can't win any semi-decent wind druid with a pure summoner.

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Shapeshift Druid: Easy

There isn’t a way a shapeshift druid can win. Golem + Revives + Iron Maiden = GG


No physical damage druid can win. But Rabies ones can as you get infected from your minions, and as they run fast you might have trouble teleporting on them with 75%fcr.



As in every section you say that BM aka moding chars will kill you and the rest won't. Well you aren't a GM char and FoH, smite can Namelock you through your summons.

Then you say it's for pubs (since you use merc..., and summoners aren't wellcome in most leagues) and most of your matchups rely on revives. Revives only last 180 secs - so then you go get new ones or?

And believe me, I've used summoners alot - my poison/summoner hybrid is stickied for a long time, although the guide might need some refreshing.
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Quote (fir3n @ Mon, Jun 4 2007, 10:18am)
Quote (fir3n @ Sun, Jun 3 2007, 09:47am)
any1 ?

btw merc id use pride + gaze + (eth bramble - dont knwo it yet)


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Jun 7 2007 03:12pm
in which duel are u using which curse ? i dont get a few skill points uve chosen:


Fire Golem: 1

Bone Spirit: 1

and ur always talking about amply + maiden. when do u need others ?


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Jun 25 2007 03:38pm
Sorry if I haven't responded in a while, I've been off of D2. I hear that they are finally resetting the ladder smile.gif
When I have some time, I am going to update this guide, a few of the
dueling are a little skewed (I don't own people as hard as I use to).

Here's some answers:


Quote (fir3n @ Fri, Jun 1 2007, 10:58am)
why dont u use marrows ? -> lvl 33 bone prison!

otherwise u got lvl 35 .. (with summon skillers)

what else should i max if not prison ? revive up to level 44 with 44 monsters ?  tongue.gif  or stronger golems ..


could, but its not really worth the points, and ya the marrowalk trick doesnt work anymore.

Quote (De4dEyE @ Fri, Jun 1 2007, 11:19am)
Uh, you Iron Maiden a Bvc and I guarantee one worth a damn will
automatically lifetap you and your army as soon as they realize you're
summoning. lol

Edit: God, this is a terrible guide.


lifetap on a bvc? dracs kinda suck on a bvc ....you wont hit fcr breakpoint w/o fcr rings.

and thx but nothx on the advice

Quote (fir3n @ Sat, Jun 2 2007, 12:36pm)


should i use homu umd with 62 all resi insead ?


you need to hit the fcr breakpoint so no,

get some res/life scs

Quote (fir3n @ Sun, Jun 3 2007, 03:47am)
any1 ?

btw merc id use pride + gaze + (eth bramble - dont knwo it yet)


you will need more resist on your merc, and COA > Gaze

sadly , bramble doesnt do much, but Pride does add a lot of needed damage

This post was edited by Ptfan on Jun 25 2007 03:47pm
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Jun 25 2007 03:50pm
Sorry for teh double post, but I have a lot to add

Quote (roky8 @ Mon, Jun 4 2007, 04:42am)
Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Trap Assassin[/u]: .... outcome of this duel depends on if they have mind blast or not...


They will have mindblast, the ones that don't are worthless pieces of shit that aren't even worth killing...

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

CS Zon: Easy ... might kill you before you can cast teleport.


if you die in 1 charged strike, your char needs remaking

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Barbarians:
BVC Barb: Easy
BVC
barbs don�t use shields and take a lot of damage. Teleport away from
this barb and Iron Maiden them. Teleport on them and they will kill
themselves.


Rofl... a
good bvc will use 50% DR and 7-8k life. If he knows how to Leap (well
actually Leap is king on that build) you will easily get slaughtered.
Iron Maiden doesn't work when he is hitting you (at least not as much
as when he hits minions) and with Berserk, he is immune to Iron Maiden
as it's Magic Damage. You won't win vs the good BvC's but I can
immagine you trash random pubs.

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Sorceresses:
Orb Sorc: Easy

Just teleport on the sorc and they will take damage. Mages usually die very easy from frozen orb.

Blizzard Sorc
: Medium

Blizzard
sorcs do massive damage to summons. Try to teleport on them as quickly
as possible. Your revives will be doing the majority of the damage in
this duel.

Fireball Sorc: Medium

Fireball does
splash damage so be careful. I would recommend getting flying summons
for this match up. The fireballs will do damage to they flying summons
instead of you. Teleport on the fireball sorc and she will die quickly.


The
only matchup you got right was light sorc and maybe orb. Good luck
catching a 105 or even 200 fcr sorc with your 75... you just can't duel
sorcs without 125 fcr, period. They can just stay out of your screen or
get on it for half a sec to drop a blizz and they're away. 180 secs and
your revies are all dead...

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)


Druids:



Elemental Druid
: Medium � Hard

Do
Not Teleport On Them!!! They will tornado you to death. I would
recommend circling the druid first and killing all the druid�s summons.
Try to avoid tornados and do damage to them. This can be a hard match
up at times.


Hurricane
> Summons. Period. They don't even need that tornadoes to kill them.
And while the druid can recast his summons, you can't. You just can't
win any semi-decent wind druid with a pure summoner.

Quote (Ptfan @ Fri, 30 Mar 2007, 03:50)

Shapeshift Druid: Easy

There isn�t a way a shapeshift druid can win. Golem + Revives + Iron Maiden = GG


No
physical damage druid can win. But Rabies ones can as you get infected
from your minions, and as they run fast you might have trouble
teleporting on them with 75%fcr.



As in every section you
say that BM aka moding chars will kill you and the rest won't. Well you
aren't a GM char and FoH, smite can Namelock you through your summons.

Then
you say it's for pubs (since you use merc..., and summoners aren't
wellcome in most leagues) and most of your matchups rely on revives.
Revives only last 180 secs - so then you go get new ones or?

And
believe me, I've used summoners alot - my poison/summoner hybrid is
stickied for a long time, although the guide might need some refreshing.



I would agree with you roky8 on most of these, I'll put your input in when I remake the guide, thx
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