d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > Strategy & Guides > Tysnatch's Ultimate Pvp Barb Guide (bvc) 1.13d > After Much Consideration
Prev15678938Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 3,631
Joined: Aug 30 2012
Gold: 6.66
Oct 8 2013 09:35am
[QUOTE=DHA,Oct 8 2013 05:28pm]QUOTE=Zendraikus,Oct 8 2013 03:14pm]-__- <- message[/QUOTE]

Joined : Feb 8 2012

lol.. should have started there


Pretty sure this is how those guys are dueling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQ1BvTUJSs

LOL[/QUOTE]

u jelly cuz he pwns with mighty widow while u scrub has to rely on 63 fcr, tele, chainlocks and shit, pffff... lol@u
Member
Posts: 41,565
Joined: Dec 2 2007
Gold: 3,249.00
Oct 8 2013 09:52am
What an awesome thread full of bullshit XDD

Stickied.
Member
Posts: 16,266
Joined: Feb 9 2008
Gold: 0.01
Oct 8 2013 10:14am
3 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous): Bryant, rimtutitukee, Jolteown

:hug:
Member
Posts: 29,972
Joined: Jan 31 2005
Gold: 575.00
Oct 8 2013 10:44am
dha stop relying on ww as a crutch

hi bryantnoob <3

This post was edited by Jolteown on Oct 8 2013 11:04am
Member
Posts: 29,972
Joined: Jan 31 2005
Gold: 575.00
Oct 8 2013 11:04am
Also, widow is awful, for several reasons. The biggest reason is that you give up str bug in two of the match-ups where it is most important, why you would do that is beyond me. The "utility" that widow provides is not even comparable to the utility you lose by giving up str bug. Furthermore, widow has several fatal flaws that makes it really easy to combat and hardly a threat at all. For one they can just find the nearest wall/box and set up camp there, where widow will do shit, and with a limited amount of arrows you are definitely not going to win a war of attrition so widow is awful for long defense vs defense type duels. They don't even have to abuse terrain, GA is so easy to avoid on reaction and all it really does is forces them to reposition very slightly to get out of the way and they don't have to abandon their trapfield to do that, it's more of a minor annoyance than anything.

Another problem is that it gives a trapper/hammer player free pressure until you switch weapons, so even if you do for argument's sake "force them to chase you" you are just giving them good positioning/an advantage over you. Since you don't have multishot they can literally just teleport circles around you while firing off hammers/traps and GA won't even touch them, eventually you'll be forced to switch back so nothing is any different except you now have a hammer or trap field surrounding you...

tl;dr it's bad against defensive opponents and it's bad against offensive opponents, and you give up a lot to even wear it on switch, what's the point of even using it?
Member
Posts: 8,577
Joined: Nov 3 2010
Gold: 212.00
Oct 8 2013 11:17am
Quote (Jolteown @ Oct 8 2013 12:04pm)
Also, widow is awful, for several reasons. The biggest reason is that you give up str bug in two of the match-ups where it is most important, why you would do that is beyond me. The "utility" that widow provides is not even comparable to the utility you lose by giving up str bug. Furthermore, widow has several fatal flaws that makes it really easy to combat and hardly a threat at all. For one they can just find the nearest wall/box and set up camp there, where widow will do shit, and with a limited amount of arrows you are definitely not going to win a war of attrition so widow is awful for long defense vs defense type duels. They don't even have to abuse terrain, GA is so easy to avoid on reaction and all it really does is forces them to reposition very slightly to get out of the way and they don't have to abandon their trapfield to do that, it's more of a minor annoyance than anything.

Another problem is that it gives a trapper/hammer player free pressure until you switch weapons, so even if you do for argument's sake "force them to chase you" you are just giving them good positioning/an advantage over you. Since you don't have multishot they can literally just teleport circles around you while firing off hammers/traps and GA won't even touch them, eventually you'll be forced to switch back so nothing is any different except you now have a hammer or trap field surrounding you...

tl;dr it's bad against defensive opponents and it's bad against offensive opponents, and you give up a lot to even wear it on switch, what's the point of even using it?


I'd like to add that even actual Amazons switch to Jav-Side Blocking/Fury when opponents get close
Member
Posts: 37,346
Joined: Jul 15 2006
Gold: 27,433.00
Oct 8 2013 11:30am
Quote (TSBoyer @ Oct 8 2013 06:17pm)
I'd like to add that even actual Amazons switch to Jav-Side Blocking/Fury when opponents get close


You wont see them coming. Are you comparing the zon ias and barb ias with widow ?
Member
Posts: 62,793
Joined: Jun 12 2007
Gold: 3.00
Oct 8 2013 12:59pm
hotos on switch -_-

3 wc xx str weapon + cta >

nn full str bug, useless.
WHy do u put more then 1 point inot shout? I would put those points into natural res. Since you are bvc, defense useless, unless you bvc vs bvc ofc :lol:

Also put demon limb into cube instead of 1 wc sk ;)
Member
Posts: 45,618
Joined: Apr 10 2006
Gold: 113,270.08
Oct 8 2013 01:02pm
good barb can beat anyone without tele. You just need to know how to do that.
Member
Posts: 6,580
Joined: Sep 29 2013
Gold: 150.00
Oct 8 2013 01:22pm
Quote (undead_lord @ Oct 8 2013 08:02pm)
good barb can beat anyone without tele.  You just need to know how to do that.


Good anyone can beat barb without tele. You just need to know how to do that.
Go Back To Strategy & Guides Topic List
Prev15678938Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll