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imo i think aura builds are superior to holy shield builds

Pro's of HS BUILD

-more defence (but hey wut u need defense for other than ww barbs)



Pro's of Non-HS Build (dependin on how u chose to spare your extra points)

-if set in a 10/10 light/cold, this simply helps alot vs blizzers, fohers, trappers, etc. simply because not only do u have extra +5max resist on these (saves the need of switchin gear for some sorb) and makes those elemental based character less harder to deal with

-if extras set in smite, your smite dmg would simply do more than if you added extras in HS, considering extras in hs adds like wut, 1-3% extra block?

-if extras in prayer, its a synergy to meditation, so in a long duel vs defensive players, u meditate, it can heal u quite fast


If you read my guide, you will understand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res auras whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.

As the smite consider, sure more dmg into smite but for what reason? With my current smite dmg i kill bowas in a sec. And other than bowas or es sorcs which dies in 3 charge hits there is no need for smite. I never even use smite myself on hammer, i don't need to.

Medi is forbidden in pure 1on1 and cws and tvts for that matter. I use 1 point in medi just to gain additional mana in certain games in open. It's a pure waste putting to much points in Prayer, medi.

You have to distinguish between a build made of masive res charms and a standard hamemr build were some of your points may be beneficial, but if we're talking about a similar build to what i've present, it's not. Cheers


in that case then the question is, would u rather sacrifice some defence for extra boost in resist, or even extra points for smite dmg?
so lets put those questions to scenarios

defense can make that big difference of when you win by little life dueling a barb
additional fire/light or light/cold max resist can make that difference when you win duel blizzers, trappers, fohers, fire sorcs, orbs, light sorcs
extra smite damage can be the difference when you either win by a small amount of life, or lose to an oponent by a small amount of life.....lets say if u have someone down to low life and your practically dead as well, u land 1 smite that can either kill them or leave them a few life....but by your opponent still being alive can make one final attack and finish you off.......again these are rare chances but this is just to compare


No i would not sacrifice defense vs resist, since I, as i said, don't need additional resist (see answer in previous page). If you find it better to use auras in which you have to switch to at the same time to consider your switch for conz (also consider charge), then do it. I know by default it's not effective at all in fast pure duels. But ppl are different and i won't force my view/experience to your opinion.

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hf with 7-9k def vs barbs, amas in nl


exile + grief :/
flash holy freezeif needed


i dont switch my gear 24/7 .. i have one setup and that works great vs all chars.


then ur just someone who can handle pubs well :/
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hf with 7-9k def vs barbs, amas in nl


exile + grief :/
flash holy freezeif needed


i dont switch my gear 24/7 .. i have one setup and that works great vs all chars.


then ur just someone who can handle pubs well :/


Hmmz yeah i guess you could say so O_o.
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Quote (ZeeYahrly @ Sun, Mar 11 2007, 06:46pm)
imo i think aura builds are superior to holy shield builds

Pro's of HS BUILD

-more defence (but hey wut u need defense for other than ww barbs)



Pro's of Non-HS Build (dependin on how u chose to spare your extra points)

-if set in a 10/10 light/cold, this simply helps alot vs blizzers, fohers, trappers, etc. simply because not only do u have extra +5max resist on these (saves the need of switchin gear for some sorb) and makes those elemental based character less harder to deal with

-if extras set in smite, your smite dmg would simply do more than if you added extras in HS, considering extras in hs adds like wut, 1-3% extra block?

-if extras in prayer, its a synergy to meditation, so in a long duel vs defensive players, u meditate, it can heal u quite fast


If you read my guide, you will understand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res auras whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.

As the smite consider, sure more dmg into smite but for what reason? With my current smite dmg i kill bowas in a sec. And other than bowas or es sorcs which dies in 3 charge hits there is no need for smite. I never even use smite myself on hammer, i don't need to.

Medi is forbidden in pure 1on1 and cws and tvts for that matter. I use 1 point in medi just to gain additional mana in certain games in open. It's a pure waste putting to much points in Prayer, medi.

You have to distinguish between a build made of masive res charms and a standard hamemr build were some of your points may be beneficial, but if we're talking about a similar build to what i've present, it's not. Cheers


in that case then the question is, would u rather sacrifice some defence for extra boost in resist, or even extra points for smite dmg?
so lets put those questions to scenarios

defense can make that big difference of when you win by little life dueling a barb
additional fire/light or light/cold max resist can make that difference when you win duel blizzers, trappers, fohers, fire sorcs, orbs, light sorcs
extra smite damage can be the difference when you either win by a small amount of life, or lose to an oponent by a small amount of life.....lets say if u have someone down to low life and your practically dead as well, u land 1 smite that can either kill them or leave them a few life....but by your opponent still being alive can make one final attack and finish you off.......again these are rare chances but this is just to compare


No i would not sacrifice defense vs resist, since I, as i said, don't need additional resist (see answer above). If you find it better to use auras in which you have to switch to at the same time to consider your switch for conz (also consider charge), then do it. I know by default it's not effective at all in fast pure duels. but ppl are different and i won't force my view/experience to your opinion.


ye, nor am i going to staple my humble opinions to anyone else. how you chose to make it simply varies on your style =)
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Mar 11 2007 01:19pm
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Quote (TheJesus-- @ Sun, 11 Mar 2007, 14:54)
Quote (ZeeYahrly @ Sun, Mar 11 2007, 06:46pm)
imo i think aura builds are superior to holy shield builds

Pro's of HS BUILD

-more defence (but hey wut u need defense for other than ww barbs)



Pro's of Non-HS Build (dependin on how u chose to spare your extra points)

-if set in a 10/10 light/cold, this simply helps alot vs blizzers, fohers, trappers, etc. simply because not only do u have extra +5max resist on these (saves the need of switchin gear for some sorb) and makes those elemental based character less harder to deal with

-if extras set in smite, your smite dmg would simply do more than if you added extras in HS, considering extras in hs adds like wut, 1-3% extra block?

-if extras in prayer, its a synergy to meditation, so in a long duel vs defensive players, u meditate, it can heal u quite fast


If you read my guide, you will understand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res auras whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.

As the smite consider, sure more dmg into smite but for what reason? With my current smite dmg i kill bowas in a sec. And other than bowas or es sorcs which dies in 3 charge hits there is no need for smite. I never even use smite myself on hammer, i don't need to.

Medi is forbidden in pure 1on1 and cws and tvts for that matter. I use 1 point in medi just to gain additional mana in certain games in open. It's a pure waste putting to much points in Prayer, medi.

You have to distinguish between a build made of masive res charms and a standard hamemr build were some of your points may be beneficial, but if we're talking about a similar build to what i've present, it's not. Cheers


in that case then the question is, would u rather sacrifice some defence for extra boost in resist, or even extra points for smite dmg?
so lets put those questions to scenarios

defense can make that big difference of when you win by little life dueling a barb
additional fire/light or light/cold max resist can make that difference when you win duel blizzers, trappers, fohers, fire sorcs, orbs, light sorcs
extra smite damage can be the difference when you either win by a small amount of life, or lose to an oponent by a small amount of life.....lets say if u have someone down to low life and your practically dead as well, u land 1 smite that can either kill them or leave them a few life....but by your opponent still being alive can make one final attack and finish you off.......again these are rare chances but this is just to compare


No i would not sacrifice defense vs resist, since I, as i said, don't need additional resist (see answer above). If you find it better to use auras in which you have to switch to at the same time to consider your switch for conz (also consider charge), then do it. I know by default it's not effective at all in fast pure duels. but ppl are different and i won't force my view/experience to your opinion.


ye, nor am i going to staple my humble opinions to anyone else. how you chose to make it simply varies on your style =)


Hehe ^^. Yeah i guess you have right in some extent. However chosing a certain style will eventually/perhaps never make you a godly dueller. So choose wisely.
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If you read my guide, you will udnerstand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res aureas whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.


Res auras passivly increases your maximal resistance.


I know that.


Then you also know that there is no need to switch auras and interrupt your dueling flow.


since u cant have conz on aswell, it sure does interrupt the duel flow. For you, i don't know but for me it certainly do.


You just said that you know that the res auras passivly increase your maximal resistance, right?
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If you read my guide, you will udnerstand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res aureas whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.


Res auras passivly increases your maximal resistance.


I know that.


Then you also know that there is no need to switch auras and interrupt your dueling flow.


since u cant have conz on aswell, it sure does interrupt the duel flow. For you, i don't know but for me it certainly do.


You just said that you know that the res auras passivly increase your maximal resistance, right?


y but as far as i know passive res count as a normal so u cant use tg(90res=bm), i dont see a reason to change my hs build then

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Quote (TheJesus-- @ Sun, 11 Mar 2007, 19:54)
If you read my guide, you will udnerstand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res aureas whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.


Res auras passivly increases your maximal resistance.


I know that.


Then you also know that there is no need to switch auras and interrupt your dueling flow.


since u cant have conz on aswell, it sure does interrupt the duel flow. For you, i don't know but for me it certainly do.


You just said that you know that the res auras passivly increase your maximal resistance, right?


y but as far as i know passive res count as a normal so u cant use tg(90res=bm), i dont see a reason to change my hs build then


with 10 points in light res 10 in fire res, you can switch to a lo'd shako to get 85% light res without sacrificing your belt, you can use waterwalks to get 85% fire res without anything.
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If you read my guide, you will udnerstand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res aureas whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.


Res auras passivly increases your maximal resistance.


I know that.


Then you also know that there is no need to switch auras and interrupt your dueling flow.


since u cant have conz on aswell, it sure does interrupt the duel flow. For you, i don't know but for me it certainly do.


You just said that you know that the res auras passivly increase your maximal resistance, right?


y but as far as i know passive res count as a normal so u cant use tg(90res=bm), i dont see a reason to change my hs build then


with 10 points in light res 10 in fire res, you can switch to a lo'd shako to get 85% light res without sacrificing your belt, you can use waterwalks to get 85% fire res without anything.


in pub i dont need that , because i can kiss before they kill me, in 1v1 i use tg, in tvt i use wizzy+coa+verdugo+whisp if i really need

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Quote (TheJesus-- @ Sun, 11 Mar 2007, 19:54)
If you read my guide, you will udnerstand it's build up with massive res charms. There is no need for additional res aureas whatsoever and they greatly interrupt the duel flow by changing it on and off.


Res auras passivly increases your maximal resistance.


I know that.


Then you also know that there is no need to switch auras and interrupt your dueling flow.


since u cant have conz on aswell, it sure does interrupt the duel flow. For you, i don't know but for me it certainly do.


You just said that you know that the res auras passivly increase your maximal resistance, right?


y but as far as i know passive res count as a normal so u cant use tg(90res=bm), i dont see a reason to change my hs build then


with 10 points in light res 10 in fire res, you can switch to a lo'd shako to get 85% light res without sacrificing your belt, you can use waterwalks to get 85% fire res without anything.


80% w WW and I take around 15 fbs, do you think i need more than that? And i don't have to sacrifice my belt. If i play 7on1 vs druids and melee chars involved, i use wizzy + whisp = 11k dmg = np. I don't understand what this debate is all about. Using auras w a 20/5 hammer build is pure fucking shit since no char will ever hurt you except some light based cars (very little), simple is that. If ppl somehow won't accept or believe it's good, then stick with your auras and multi shift w auras +charge/vigor +conc and try be an effecitve dueller. GL HF. Problem is solved.

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