Hahaha moxer.
Tbh I have enough job to do as it is on a ghost, to use widowmaker extra would be too hard for me. But you could be right.
T/c indeed, I am not sure I will get any interesting info onwards, this 1ring angelic setup is the farthest people have gone in thinking and explaining.

I was kidding. :-D

Also I remember someone, Eywa perhaps, mentioning that charge put you into a 'walk' state like Whirl does and it includes block/full def in the equation.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Mar 28 2012 04:28am

I am actually going after your strategy of using angelics, please don't get me wrong.

I know you have said from the first page, that's why You should listen to the rest and chose HL over angelics. AR is not a strong argument to justify the use of angelics on sin. You are not a barb, you are a sin, should you give up so much just to get that ar from angelics?

To be honest when I just read that's your strategy against hammerdins, I cannot believe it. What makes you think they will charge all the time?

In fact, if you prefer ww so much, kinda interested to know what's your strategy against box style? Hammerdins have meditation, they can box all day even if they spent up their mana pots, just a little less aggressive when they do run out of mana pots.

They can wear tgods, can tank LS all day, at least an 8k traps do hurt a "GM hammerdin without wisp", once they know ur a pure ghost it makes things easier, they can play box style all day and tank your LS all day, nn desynch. But what would you do against one with wisps?

As for swirlies, that's a good tactic, afraid not for paladins, they can stack spirit of pheonix cum water walks, and berber coa, that swirllies is no problem to them, just charge away, reposition and continue to box. Spending so much into mind blast, in the end, they can easily tank it with their berber coa, almost no damage done. And wof, it's only good for stunning.., boxing you down to corner till you run out of mana..

Even when you do hit him, you are not as painful as you loose out HL, that performance alone is worse than a barb, and you said your ghost is superior than a bvc? My previous post is not trying to argue which char is superior, but is actually aguing against your strategy of using angelics. How much def a hammerdin has? You are not fighting against an exile smiter ya know, using angelics is overkill imo.

Interested to know what other strategies you got.

If you like ghost a lot, I actually recommend bui's guide, in fact he has already posted here. Yet your reply on post #35, your argument really don't sound right, good to ponder again.

This post was edited by Jaxz on Mar 28 2012 05:34am

another pt for widow

won't you risk it? They have superior fcr rate and charge, they can easily use it to displace you when you pull it out. At such close range boxing, how many arrow do you dare to pull before he is all over you? 1? 2? That's not enough to do anything against a hammerdin....

This post was edited by Jaxz on Mar 28 2012 05:36am

My source says the same thing but the max chance to block in charge is 25%

http://wiki.theamazonbasin.com/index.php/Charge

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Mar 28 2012 05:42am

its not going to do much
but its going to make them chase you
thats what you actually want
you want them to jump you so that you can have this small combat phase while ww'ing southwards
if they dont chase you then how are you going to win?

they jump you > you jump them

hm nvm then, it's just something I heard about earlier ^^

well, at the very least, hope the author uses HL... It is a game of the mind, I like doing this with my hammerdin match ups against ghosts, and whenever I win, it feels good. In fact I don't have to nl all the time. If I am above the sin, I can also choose to tele south, I mean, it's hammerdin basics. No hammerdin players uses charge or nl tele all the time.

If I am south, I have three options to choose from, charge to her south, nl tele, or tele to south.

What would you do if he choose to tele south, won't you ww into his hammers? He can also choose to nl tele the sin a few times to mislead you, he can afford to tank, then next is to tele in your path of ww, for instance, south if you kept ww south.... you eat hammers, he suffer little. If you have kb on your claws, at least you can hope to push him away from your path of ww. But if you socket your fools full of ums, you cannot hope to kb him away if he tele south. This is the big disadvange of ww sin over bvc. Bvc have longer range and deadier damage, sometimes hammerdin will reconsider if they want to tank nl tele or or tele south. Dealing with ghost who has weak physical damage is easy as abc, easier than dealing with bvc.

Don't underestimate hammerdins, they are also one of the top pvp characters.

This post was edited by Jaxz on Mar 28 2012 05:57am

you just act like a ghost had no chance against a gm hdin

my argument was about bm hdins

you cant jump them because if you would you would be more likely to eat more dmg; he is the better close range dmg dealer
thats why you let him come and then go into the south thing
if he comes from south you tele zickzack till u r positioned southwards
its all about creating the situation

if hes positioning himself southwards from you while southwwing then you will need to trade with him unfortunatly
but there i prefure to be a ghost
i have cb and a bvc hasnt ~~

This post was edited by MoXeR on Mar 28 2012 06:02am