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Jul 26 2011 06:31am
lw too slow
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Jul 26 2011 08:45am
Quote (Tails chao @ Jul 26 2011 02:31pm)
lw too slow


No?!? Max Smite speed is easy to reach with LW! U never need to switch to salvation...and always have Fanatism Aura including the IAS. U only need some Ias from items (i prefer 2x 15Ias/15@ jools).

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it only surpasses grief in case grief's 75% cb setup was at a worst case scenario


No?!? Recalculate ur sequence without Worst Case Scenario.

Vs. Meph with 20% DR it would be a factor for Grief 75% CB of:

Average CB-Damage = (1-((12,5*0,8)/100))*75)+((100-75)*1)) /100 = 0,925

Vs. Baal/Dia with 50% DR it would be a factor for Grief 75%CB of:

Average CB-Damage = (1-((12,5*0,5)/100))*75)+((100-75)*1)) /100 = 0,953125

(Formula: (1 - (12,5%CB-Damage*DR)/100))*probability of CB (75%)) + ((100 Hits - 75 Hits)*1 (not applied CB))) / 100 Hits)

Hope its understandable...

With this average CB-Damage u can easy make a sequence under normal circumstances. It implicates a crushing blow on EACH Hit - with an lowered average Damage calculated on an 100 Hit average. With 100% CB u will have full CB-Damage (factor0,9 vs Meph) - with 50% CB u will have only the half CB-Damage (factor 0,95 vs Meph).

With equal Setups: (Astreons offers 4 more combat skills = 60% Ed Smite Bonus + 20 Base Damage from HS), LW offers 1 more Skillpoint through Mara, all sequences with Fanatism:

all sequences with Fanatism (if someone needs i can repost the sequences)

Grief vs. Meph: 32 Hits
Astreons vs. Meph: 32 Hits
LW vs. Meph: 33 Hits
Grief vs. Baal: 52 Hits
Astreons vs. Baal: 51 Hits
LW vs. Baal: 53 Hits

Astreons: 32 + 51 + 51 = 134
Grief: 32 + 52 + 52 = 136
LW: 33 + 53 + 53 = 139

With average Damage: Astreons > Grief > LW
Worst Case: Astreons > Grief > LW
Best Case for Grief: Grief > Astreons > LW

-> Astreons > Grief > LW (as long as u use Fanatism the whole time!)

Again - if u switch to salvation in Astreons or Grief Setup vs. Meph, LW will surpass both setups! (Grief: 38+52+52 = 142 ; Astreons: 38+51+51 = 140; LW: 33+53+53 = 139 )

@The Bee

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Why its not an argument?


If u use salvation, u have to do a new calculation where grief is only on "Place 3" from these 3 Weapons. (~ -500% are a lot!)

This post was edited by macros_1102 on Jul 26 2011 08:53am
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Quote (macros_1102 @ 26 Jul 2011 15:45)
No?!? Max Smite speed is easy to reach with LW!1



No?!? Recalculate ur sequence without Worst Case Scenario.

Vs. Meph with 20% DR it would be a factor for Grief 75% CB of:

Average CB-Damage = (1-((12,5*0,8)/100))*75)+((100-75)*1)) /100 = 0,925

Vs. Baal/Dia with 50% DR it would be a factor for Grief 75%CB of:

Average CB-Damage = (1-((12,5*0,5)/100))*75)+((100-75)*1)) /100 = 0,953125

(Formula: (1 - (12,5%CB-Damage*DR)/100))*probability of CB (75%)) + ((100 Hits - 75 Hits)*1 (not applied CB))) / 100 Hits)

Hope its understandable...

With this average CB-Damage u can easy make a sequence under normal circumstances. It implicates a crushing blow on EACH Hit - with an lowered average Damage calculated on an 100 Hit average. With 100% CB u will have full CB-Damage (factor0,9 vs Meph) - with 50% CB u will have only the half CB-Damage (factor 0,95 vs Meph).

With equal Setups: (Astreons offers 4 more combat skills = 60% Ed Smite Bonus + 20 Base Damage from HS), LW offers 1 more Skillpoint through Mara, all sequences with Fanatism:

all sequences with Fanatism (if someone needs i can repost the sequences)

Grief vs. Meph: 32 Hits
Astreons vs. Meph: 32 Hits
LW vs. Meph: 33 Hits
Grief vs. Baal: 52 Hits
Astreons vs. Baal: 51 Hits
LW vs. Baal:  53 Hits

Astreons: 32 + 51 + 51 = 134
Grief: 32 + 52 + 52 = 136
LW: 33 + 53 + 53 = 139

With average Damage: Astreons > Grief > LW
Worst Case: Astreons > Grief > LW
Best Case for Grief: Grief > Astreons > LW

-> Astreons > Grief > LW (as long as u use Fanatism the whole time!)

Again - if u switch to salvation in Astreons or Grief Setup vs. Meph, LW will surpass both setups! (Grief: 38+52+52 = 142 ; Astreons: 38+51+51 = 140; LW: 33+53+53 = 139 )

@The Bee



If u use salvation, u have to do a new calculation where grief is only on "Place 3" from these 3 Weapons. (~ -500% are a lot!)


Missed the point entirely.
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Jul 26 2011 08:54am
Quote (Tails chao @ Jul 26 2011 04:53pm)
Missed the point entirely.


???
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Jul 26 2011 08:55am
Quote (macros_1102 @ 26 Jul 2011 15:54)
???


LW's killing speed is too slow.
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Jul 26 2011 09:00am
Quote (Tails chao @ Jul 26 2011 04:55pm)
LW's killing speed is too slow.


LOL???

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Grief vs. Meph: 32 Hits
Astreons vs. Meph: 32 Hits
LW vs. Meph: 33 Hits
Grief vs. Baal: 52 Hits
Astreons vs. Baal: 51 Hits
LW vs. Baal:  53 Hits


too slow??? WTF??? Its 3 Hits slower then Grief with activated Fanatism!!! 3 Hits with full smite speed (4,1 a/s) = 0,73s

WTH!?!?!?!?!

New drugs on market?
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Jul 26 2011 09:06am
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LOL???



too slow??? WTF??? Its 3 Hits slower then Grief with activated Fanatism!!! 3 Hits with full smite speed (4,1 a/s) = 0,73s

WTH!?!?!?!?!

New drugs on market?


3 hits too slow
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Jul 26 2011 09:30am
Quote (Tails chao @ Jul 26 2011 06:06pm)
3 hits too slow


win lolololol
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Jul 26 2011 10:45am
Nerds.
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Jul 26 2011 10:51am
Quote (Lightman @ 26 Jul 2011 15:22)
because everyone here has more than half a brain and knows that ut isn't about survival, it's about finishing it as fast as possible.

only noobs concern themselves with safety. l2p


Well, its not a big deal, its just a game after all. It really doesn't make a difference if you finish UT in 30 seconds or 3 minutes.
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