Survivability is more HP/Mana related. Afterwards, follow resistances and %DR , block etc.

My first post was rather clear about my importance factors:


This post was edited by Synonym on Dec 23 2010 07:14pm

That's what I asked, because with this order of importance, there's only 1 setup possible :

Wizzy - sox 20life
Twitchroe - sox Jah
Whitstan - sox Jah
100life belt
WW
Mages
rare circlet : 35mf 2soc 2skills 20fcr 60life - sox 2xJah
craft amu : 10%block 2skills 10fcr 20dext 60life
2xcraft ring : (5str) 10fcr 15dext 60life 11@res
Torch 20/20
Anni 20/20
3 x 5@/20life sc
34 x 20life sc

stats : 100% vita
prebuff/switch : level 20 BO (str from enigma/andy to wear etheral spirit)

you reach :
120%fcr
MB at level99
75@res in hell (up to ~ 170@res stackable with 37 x 5/20 sc)
highest life possible.

%dr = 0
%mf = 35
both are sacrifized to your main goal (mainly : life).

I'm pretty sure you wont like this answer.
Because you didnt say how much life you are ready to sacrifize to get better %dr or %mf or killing speed.
And what is an acceptable budget ... you said not willing to pay 10k fg, but how much?

regards



I dont want to troll you, just wanna help but as I said the first time, I dont understand exactly where you put your priorities.
This "setup" is definitely not something to use. Some items I posted probably dont even exist. But it's the exact answer to your listed priorities.

MB at level 99 means that you'd get max block EVEN IF you reach 99, of course, you'd have MB at any level below 99...

Anyway, I just try to make you understand that the answer only relies on your choices.

This post was edited by feanur on Dec 23 2010 08:32pm

You are relying on 99 level, which I will never reach, nor want to.
The DPS is the lowest I've seen from all setups suggested.
I won't be getting 20/5@'s nor any of those crazy items for a PvM character.
The inventory is completely full, which is useless for PvM.
Prebuffing in PvM other than native skills / BO seems time consuming and irrelevant to proper runs.

Thank you for your input but I would like this discussion to remain realistic, rather than Open-B.net-conjured or 100% math reliant.

P.S I never used the word budget, but when an item costs 100 or 200fg, it's useless to discuss about PvM.

This post was edited by Synonym on Dec 23 2010 08:23pm

20 stat anni
20 stat torch
=50 str
2x fcr blood craft rings, 20~ str/high life/dex/res -- cost cham -2skills
maras
=
70+str possably 77
coh
20 more str..

= 90~ str

ull end up needing 50~ str for ss -15/res/dex jewel

cham grif

arac

mages

alders

hoto

price, str,mf..gain, heaps of resistance o.o, no light sorb though.. bo able life from rings, dex from rings lvl 14 bo?

This post was edited by n4th4n on Dec 23 2010 09:34pm

Mkay, so I just made two builds I'll compare

Build 1:
125%fcr
0% dr
pdr/mdr from gerkes and vmage
Full hell resists (85 lit, (tgods))
Only 65% mf (empty sockets could be ist'd)

32k max lit dmg
3500def
max block
lvl 12 bo
16xx life

Gear: All sockets are were left open for discussion/preference
Griffins
Hoto
Gerkes Sanc
Vmage (up'd)
Tgods (Before I mentioned how crucial lit sorb and/or + max lit is)
Trangs gloves
Cow King boots (I feel this trumps shadow dancers due to having a MUCH lower str req and 25% mf and only offering 5 less dex)

3 lit 70 life ammy ( didn't use 100 because that's harder to come by)
10fcr 20str 15 dex ring (no other stats, left that open for whatever)
Nagel ring (fcr was already achieved, didn't, may as well get the mf)

P torch and P anni were used and 1x11 lit res sc (build hit 75 all res in hell dead on, needed 10 more lit)
6x plain lit skillers and gheeds fortune, leaving 2x columns open for items

Build 2:
120% fcr
10% dr
pdr/mdr from gerkes and vmage
Full hell resists
115% mf

30k max lit dmg
3500def
max block
lvl 16 bo
17xx life

Gear: All sockets are were left open for discussion/preference
Shako
Hoto
Gerkes Sanc
Vmage (up'd)
Archa
Trangs gloves
Cow King boots (I feel this trumps shadow dancers due to having a MUCH lower str req and 25% mf and only offering 5 less dex)

3 lit 70 life ammy ( didn't use 100 because that's harder to come by)
10fcr 20str 15 dex ring (no other stats, left that open for whatever)
Wisp ring (some form of lit sorb is a must

P torch and P anni were used
6x plain lit skillers and gheeds fortune, leaving 2x columns open for items


Both worked really well and had no real problems in a P5 game with no merc.

iso feedback

alot of people seem to prefer griffon over 3/20/2 circlet.. I would point out that circlet gives more damage than griffon. + lightning damage gives very little extra damage. -enemy lightning resist can be very good though.
griffon gives 5% more fcr and -enemy resist. circlet gives 1 extra socket and higher damage.

Feedback on cow king boots. Cow kings are good but I don't feel that 25 mf and 5 dex beats 65 life from waterwalker

Can I get some feedback on my current light sorc?
3/20/2 perfect rubys circlet
vipermagi with p ruby
arach
2 sojs
maras
hoto
stormshield
trang gloves
aldurs boots

16xx life
35% dr
25k damage before skillers(I have a couple of skillers)
130 fcr
max block and resist with anya quest

@afRichman- Good setups, however the HP is rather low. Any way to get it up to 2,000 without totaling the inventory?
@Stigander, Griffon's Eye holds the best damage not just because of 1sk/-20% (-25% potential). It also has 25% FCR, which makes up for using an FCR ring instead of a soj, or an FCR amulet instead of a Mara's Kaleidoscope. Griffon's Eye also gives +1 to BO, whereas 3/20/2 does not.

Life is still low on your setups, would like to see at least 2k HP.

Well, the socket in the helm armor and sheild are all open in both setups
Rubies/jahs could be used, I'll check and post results soonish, watching a movie

Mr. Stigander
imo, your setup looks cool, but it litterally is yeilding 0% mf. I believe that mf was part of the criteria

I'm going to stick by cow kings being the best choice, but I'll do some testing with waterwalks as well

Keeping both my builds the same and just adding rubies/jahs to sockets..

Rubies yeilded higher results for the helm and armor in both cases, and jah in the shield ofc.

For Build 1: life became 1850ish

For Build 2: life became 1954ish

Only flaws, this lacks any fhr

This post was edited by afRichman on Dec 23 2010 10:53pm

griffs
hoto
magefist
viper
fcr ring
maras
natures/soj
tgods
gerkes
waters
cta/lidless

this gives you 13-14 bo, 80 fire res 85 light (when maxed..) some light sorb.
MDR: viper 9-13, gerkes 14-18
DR: gerkes 11-16, natures 7-11
3 socket opportunities... recommend 2x shael + 1x sol (assuming you can cover the 185 res@ from gear..)
problems with setup: no base fhr from gear... can hit 42 or 60 fairly easy with 2x shaels.
res all: torch/anni 35 + viper 30 + maras 25 + 25 gerkes + 30 anyas + 35hoto = 180. you will need 5 more. I am missing 25 res@ from the gear I listed... should be easy to get upgrades here and there or use 1-2 res@ jewels or ums.
positives: hits all your requirements BUT mf.. see below. nice damage. nice life (i believe.. didnt calculate), nice life rep/mdr/pdr, max block, sorb (i think its extremely nice in hc.. see below)
MF: if you do not think fhr is as important, your gcs can take care of it. or you can use ists/topaz. i think charms can help here if you truly need... since the gear covers all other bases.
Sorb: if you do not think tgods is needed... use goldwrap so you can hit more mf or use arach/chancies
fairly decent in my opinion. only things that I feel that can be approved on is... maybe waterwalks. i just do not like them tbh.... i guess pvm they are good though. still might use fhr boots or something. personal preference maybe since waterwalks do not add to breakpoints and just are there for pure life basically... hope this post is nice.