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#61
Apr 23 2010 12:45pm
Quote (PalmerFG @ 23 Apr 2010 21:44)
Thats bullshit.


CE is 70-120% of corpses life. More people = more life = same effectiveness.


No. It doesn't work that way. In p8, the damage is still calculated from the monsters health in p1.
To maintain effectiveness, one must use Infinity + maxed Amp, and still, that's not enough to make p8 CE similar to p1 CE.

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Apr 23 2010 12:46pm
Quote (sevlo @ Apr 23 2010 06:45pm)
No. It doesn't work that way.
To maintain effectiveness, one must use Infinity + maxed Amp, and still, that's not enough to make p8 CE similar to p1 CE.


I had an old version of this. It does.
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#63
Apr 23 2010 12:48pm
Quote (PalmerFG @ Apr 23 2010 05:46pm)
I had an old version of this. It does.


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#64
Apr 23 2010 01:02pm
Quote (PalmerFG @ Apr 23 2010 02:44pm)
Thats bullshit.


CE is 70-120% of corpses life. More people = more life = same effectiveness.


No. What increases is the % not the life. so if in a 1 person game a monster's life is 100%, in 8 players it's, let's say 800%.

You kill a monster that has 20 000life and a base of 2500 life. When you corpse explode it, the 70-120% corpse explosion applies on the base 2500 life not on the 20 000 life(800% of 2500) so the damage done to another same monster will be on average:

20 000 - (0.70 + 1.20)/2 x 2500 + 20 000 = -17 625 + 20 000 = 2375

It will take on average 9 corpse explosions to kill the monster in an 8 player game while it only takes 1 in a private 1 player game ^_^ so you gotta blow 9 bodies to kill the remaining monsters, that's unefficient.

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Apr 23 2010 01:05pm
Quote (GayPk @ 23 Apr 2010 22:02)
No. What increases is the % not the life. so if in a 1 person game a monster's life is 100%, in 8 players it's, let's say 800%.

You kill a monster that has 20 000life and a base of 2500 life. When you corpse explode it, the 70-120% corpse explosion applies on the base 2500 life not on the 20 000 life(800% of 2500) so the damage done to another same monster will be on average:

20 000 - (0.70 + 1.20)/2 x 2500 = 17 625

It will take on average 9 corpse explosions to kill the monster in an 8 player game while it only takes 1 in a private 1 player game ^_^ so you gotta blow 9 bodies to kill the remaining monsters, that's unefficient.


Amp + Conviction.
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Apr 23 2010 01:06pm
Quote (sevlo @ Apr 23 2010 03:05pm)
Amp + Conviction.


Check edit, the 17k u quoted is the final life not the damage lol I faaked up

amp makes it better but it would still take like 5 blows lol, basically anything more than 3 blows is inefficient.

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#67
Apr 23 2010 01:08pm
Quote (GayPk @ 23 Apr 2010 21:02)
No. What increases is the % not the life. so if in a 1 person game a monster's life is 100%, in 8 players it's, let's say 800%.

You kill a monster that has 20 000life and a base of 2500 life. When you corpse explode it, the 70-120% corpse explosion applies on the base 2500 life not on the 20 000 life(800% of 2500) so the damage done to another same monster will be on average:

-20 000 - (0.70 + 1.20)/2 x 2500 + 20 000 = -17 625 + 20 000 = 2375

It will take on average 9 corpse explosions to kill the monster in an 8 player game while it only takes 1 in a private 1 player game ^_^ so you gotta blow 9 bodies to kill the remaining monsters, that's unefficient.

Well, actually iirc the life in 8player games is 450% that of solo games - (1+players)/2 * base life
But yeah, CE is not a skill for full games.
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Apr 23 2010 01:10pm
Quote (MateDeVita @ Apr 23 2010 03:08pm)
Well, actually iirc the life in 8player games is 450% that of solo games - (1+players)/2 * base life
But yeah, CE is not a skill for full games.


450% ok thx I forgot exact value ^_^ with 450% it's:

20 000life 4444 base so 0.95 x 4444 = 4222 life per blow, takes 5 blows.
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#69
Apr 23 2010 01:20pm
i like the guide, good job!
verry nice video!

mebe nice to have is 1 points in bonewall!
to attract monsters from screan away to your pool of corpses to blowup 5 screans monsters in 1-2second
(i like all fancy aura arround like pride-bramble merc)

9/10
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#70
Apr 23 2010 01:25pm
Quote (Tommyvv @ Apr 23 2010 06:20pm)
i like the guide, good job!
verry nice video!

mebe nice to have is 1 points in bonewall!
to attract monsters from screan away to your pool of corpses to blowup 5 screans monsters in 1-2second
(i like all fancy aura arround like pride-bramble merc)

9/10


:rofl:

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