Quote (JRC @ Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 16:48)

Exactly what I was thinking, but getting 102 fcr with a c/c trapper on closed ladder is basically impossible without removing enigma (which is a bad idea for obvious reasons). Also what do you mean by nice fb output? In my standard setup I would do 1.8k fb with one point, is that good enough?

Quote (Tails chao @ Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 16:08)

Tested it, I can quite easily confirm now that max MB drastically effects the frequency of use.

Level 1 mb vs Level 20 mb "shadow master spam" frequency test

Both tests are done on vs. same character, with +16 shadow disciplines, this is using a standard 102 fcr c/c build with sdancers and 2/3/2s

Level 20 mb

1st result: 26 uses per minute
2nd result: 20 uses per minute
3rd result: 26 uses per minute
4th result: 28 uses per minute
5th result: 25 uses per minute

Average: 25 uses per minute

Level 1 mb

1st result: 5 uses per minute
2nd result: 3 uses per minute
3rd result: 2 uses per minute
4th result: 2 uses per minute
5th result: 4 uses per minute

Average: 3.2 uses per minute

Things to note:

This was not tested under PvP situations since that would introduce an endless amount of factors, due to this the numbers may seem different to what you are used to.. Instead, both tests were tested from a stationary character just over 1 screen away at the same teleport frequency.

Max MB frequency MB'd several times in a row, ranging even up to 6 times in a row! Level 1 mb had a pathetic maximum of 2 uses in a row (this happened once).

Quote (KillersDream @ Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 23:14)

Thanks for doing this test. Could you go into more details on the specifics? The remaining skill distribution was the same? Was the map the same (and the # of surrounding monsters)? Were you teleporting in place to keep the master from doing melee? Did you use a new shadow master for each trial?

I got the impression that the most common theory was that chance to cast was based on the ranking of skills, from skills with most points to skill of least points, and only the rank mattered, not the actual skill level. This is why some people would stat 2 points into mindblast instead of 1. That theory seems to be false. It appears that there are either breakpoints (which would be very useful to know), or the AIbonus is multiplied by your base skill level, or the shadows skill level.

edit: one thing that I think may play a factor is the # of hard points that are spent into dragon flight, as that is one of mindblast's main competitors for ranged attacking.

Quote (LoveShank @ Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 23:40)

Acutally I just dueled a very good nec. Since I never have, I've always thought that a sin had the advantage, but now I think they are pretty equal and it all depends on who's playing them.

If the nec knows how to ibs, bone prison + spirit you with good enough res, you will have a hell of a time trying to kill him.


I'd say a pure LS trapper easily, so you don't have to worry about ww'ing and the nec having max block (which most of the good ones do).