flamming my mother wtf tard^^
nn this crap guide~~ fucking noobi

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Good Guide bro , damn I was launghing on your jokes :D.
But I think your duel expirence are really bad.
Since your char dont have MB or any dr (Dr is useless when you dont have mb anyway I think) your 1 WW for a good BvC.
Encahntress? If you mean Melee Sorc then i dont agree I dueled a lot of fire druids and the most were 1-2 hits..
Well I know your a Shaman but is there any diffrence when I straigt hit you? Sure I will be ahrder cause your girzzly is tanking a bit but if you get hioted once , your down.
Same as Paladin Zealer if he knows how to play he will charge you and start zealing and belive me then your dead.
All in All its a nice guide but I think you dueled Naps.

regrads gl and have fun.

I guess you missed the part where a paladin charging through a fissure field generally leaves them near dead.

I've dueled the best players on east ladder and nonladder for every single dueling season, when D2 had more people on it.
I've dueled the best sins, best zons, best barbs, etc. I've dueled people where every single charm is 45 life and worth more than my whole character, where every item is 100% perfect imports

Enchantresses use widowmaker or kuko/demon/brand. Zeal/werebear is laughable on them and doesn't have any chance at all vs casters, at least bowasorcs can score a cheap kill or two.
You don't just 'straight hit' a shaman. A shaman is not a wind druid who teleports on top of you and sits there and tanks you out. Theres no way for a zealot or smiters to attack you in the first place; the shaman is teleporting around you chucking out fissures and never letting you charge him, much less zeal him. Those are the kind of things that could only happen if the duelers were WoW players who've never touched D2.


If anything, one of the problem with my guide is that I have *too much* good dueling experience. A lot of my strategies refer to the "best vs the best", which aren't very helpful for newcomers to shamans. For example, a wind druid is almost an impossible duel for a mediocre shaman player. Most people get hung up on these and call it 'impossible'. But once you've learned the tricks and know how to control their resummon factor, bam, windies are actually a manageable, easy or medium duel.

Yep like I said oak is indeed a 'myth' for the large part, doing nothing but minion stacking. But yes, there are *some* matchups where I would choose it, but only extremely rarely:

Against bvc's with an extraordinarily large amount of life leech, but no fire resist/sorb, it is best to unsummon your grizzly and just fissure them to bits with oak. Ditto against some orb sorcs, etc. But these are only convoluted matches, because if those characters were built properly, with maxed resists, I'd rather just kill them with my bear. Still, in some rare matchups, and especially in TvT, I do indeed use oak sage. Thats why you'll notice that its listed on my hotkeys as F6. I barely ever use it for normal pubstomp duels, but when switching to defensive fissure spam in some long duels, its worth having as a liability insurance.


However, I do not agree with even 1 point spirit of barbs. Believe me, of anyone, I'd know how awesome thorns can be with summons; its great in LLD. But honestly, the problem is that it will get YOU killed, since that bvc will hit you both and smack you do. And barbs on its own simply doesn't do enough damage return to kill even normal characters through life leech, and then theres the tap factor. Its a moderately effective spell, but I do not opt for it because you cannot make use of it. I have actually considered '1 barbs' many many times and tried to think if its really worth a 1 pointer. You know, if you're doing a rare pelt build with +geddon, and saving the skill points, then at level 95 you'll have everything maxed and you can dump 1 point into it instead of HoW. But for me at least, its important to get your damage up there.
So yes its a good concern. I just don't think I'd ever use it outside of a townguarding capacity. My LLD summoning druid uses barbs + edge bow switch to rock melees, but thats feasible here.

Its one of those duels you really have to see to know. If a smiter doesn't have mass fire absorb on, fissure will ruin him as he charges around. This does not simply lead to smiter dying repeatedly, however, because in duels, people are going to react. That smiter who sees himself frying to fissures starts not charging in straight lines, starts pacing and trying to aim for namelocks while running instead of charging, etc. Its a common sight to see smiters stop charging and run a little, and thats when grizzly ruins them. If they walk, fissure just destroys them harder, so thats not an issue. But with 10000ish AR, a grizzly does indeed have issues hitting smiters when they are charging. But its not like we're teleporting on top of them when they charge ^.^

but yeah, its one scenario where I'd use oak sometimes, if they're pure desync for example. The reason for using it isn't that oak is a good bonus, its that bear won't be too useful


I agree with this pretty hardcore. Shoulda probably put it in the dueling sections; yeah I use oak against poison necros, but I encounter them so damned rarely that I usually forget to.
Poison necros & singers & nova sorcs all do uncannily well against shamans, odd things I've noticed


Well poison javas are almost universally trivial for a shaman since all you gotta do is fissure a few times under their feet, I've never seen one that put up a fight even with mass FCR teleport, ever.
But against FOHer's, I'd advise against oak. Its much better imo to play hugely offensive against an foher: Get on his nuts with your bear and stick on them, dogging him until hes down. Unless he was a hybrid with charge/smite/etc, like a V/T, well, he can't take that close range asswhoopery. Taking out such a huge chunk of their HP is especially important in short order. Most FOHers in pub games are going to be griz set cookie cutters, who have virtually no DR and only 75% resists (or less), and thus storming them can be extremely effective. But against better ones, its still important to retain a high powered grizzly

The only time I'd opt for oak over HoW against these v/t's is when they charge around non-stop (and I mean non-stop) desyncing. Because they'll have decent charge damage, you can't port on them like you would a desyncing foher, so its next to impossible to land a hit. And thats one of the few cases where I'd use oak. But remember, thats not dueling against v/t's, thats dueling against a specific kind of v/t using a specific tactic.


I like the ideas with barbs, but IMO its better to stay on the offense with a high powered grizzly, or on the defense not getting hit at all.

I don't think this works.. make one on eud2pk and I'll happily duel you. They even got more fire damage there.

I made sometime ago =)

want some funduels? ^^

Ah cool yeah. But not atm, playing Wesnoth ^^