if your leques were so good why did they die?
nobody consideres mana pots bm...the guide is one of the best and any decent BvC must be build following similar outlines.
also maybe you have heard of MCM char Smash ,he is the top BvC on west, and his barb is build pretty simmilar to what the guide recommends (after all he is one of the founders of the BvC idea)
By the way would you enlighten us as to what a BvC build should look like?

The league died the same reason any league dies. It was a 1.09a League so over 3-5 years, everyone quit.

Founders? The BvC idea came out way before you probally even played. This MCM guy or w/e I have never even heard of. The first BvC builds were made in Gimmeitam. We constructed Hybrid Barbarians that could deal nearly 7k Double Throw (2x Cruel Winged Harpoons of Quickness and our Armors made us throw extremely fast) and 5.5K+ Whirl Wind. We constructed them with over 125% Run Speeds to catch sorces easily. There was no Teleportation back then so this build was the first BvC Construct and it worked extremely well vs. any caster. You and the majority of people on this forum would know nothing about this. This forum wasnt even around untill 2003. Pretty much everyone I have talked to on this forum are from 1.10 and beyond. Mana Potions will always be BM on west and to this day I do not use them on any character even though I play on East now. If you really want, I will go over every part of this build/guide and explain why it is garbage.

This post was edited by Endurack on Jun 25 2006 06:31pm

i would love to see your reasoning as to why this guide is garbage , because to tell you the truth i play ladder(no duped items on me) BvC and destroy 98%(stil llearning) of the duelers i play against .
Anyway please share your thoughts here

This post was edited by mainaman on Jun 25 2006 06:41pm

Alright here it is, firsto ff everyone on East is minced-meat compared to the PvP competition on West. Some of these critiques are opinion based so it really goes by your preference and skill level. But here it is:

Why This Barbaian Guide Sucks As Much As Blobs:

Luis' BvC Guide (adaptation of Blob's guide)
Blobs sucked, so this build sucks.

20 leap (for team duels; if you plan to never team duel only put in 14-16 here then rest into shout)
If you need this to kill a sorceress or caster you need to uninstall Diablo right now and sit in a corner and give a long, hard thought about why your a failure. First off landing a Tele and playing defensivly vs. good casters will out do you leaping any day. If a caster has the right frame of FHR this will not effect them anywhere near the price of 20 Skill Points Invested.

STR: 46
DEX: 57
VIT: rest
ENG: 10
These stats are good for a pure BvC I suppose. But right now I have the ability on my barbarian to reach Max Blocking with a shield and if I used the 3/20/20's like this build, I would still have 6,781 Life. IMO 10/70+/40+ Are Superior for Damage and Attack Rating. You really do not need more then 6.2K Health on a barbarian. This guy claims he has 10.6k Defner, I can reach 22K+ On my barbarian so I can duel Melee characters very effectivly. Once again my design is more versitle.

PRIMARY ITAMS:

BerBer Coa
Umm, your a BvC why do you need Damage Reduction? Oh thats right, you don't. Arreats has 30 Resistances, 30% FHR and many more usefull stats compared to a CoA.

Highlord Wrath
This can be useful sometimes, but I still have yet to use my Highlords over my Angelics. Unless your using a 95% Cap Deadly Strike Build, it really isnt worth it.

Arachnid Mesh
You have to be joking me? You Need FCR on a barbarian? LMFAO. FCR increases the amount of time you can cast Teleportations over a period of time. That does nothing for a Barbarian because you should Teleport Once maybe twice and land a hit when your good. Dungoes Supplies DR (If you really want it) but mroe so the important stats, 40 Vitality and 10% FHR.

Dracul Gloves (10% leech and 15 strenght necesary)
Garbage, Right now my Barbarian can KO nearly every Sorceress I have fought. This really will only help you probally vs. Paladins if you want to rely on Open WOunds. Otherwise, use Steelrends 20 Str 60 ED. Each point of Strength = 1% ED on a Barbarian. These gloves can produce an additional 530+ Maximum Damage for your Barbaian. You don't have to hit and run if you can KO a target. Plus Life Tap is BM and it doesnt even trigger with WW.

Grief Zerk Axe
This can be viable sometimes I suppose, but once again a eBotD can produce more damage then this. Right now my barbarian can reach a maximum output of 8,487 PURE PHYSICAL Damage (Mosto f the time I use a 7,012 Damage setup) using eBotD and Beast. I have yet to find a Barbarian do more then my Pure Damage thats not Barb vs. Barb. Everytime I fight a good caster, they always comment on how much damage I do and how hard and fast they die.

Hel'd Widowmaker
Lol, I suppose you want to do some Z vs. Z? This item will help you vs. noobs only and you wont even need it vs. them. Any good Mage, V/T Judicator Type I and II. Avenger Prismadin, Liberator, Tesladin etc. will capitalize on you and you will have limited ttime to switch. It will result in you losing more health then it is worth. True, you might land a Open Wounds hit, but once again any GOOD Caster will capitalize on you when you switch and the game can, and will lag on Secondary Weapon switch leaving you at high risk.

Demon Limb
LMFAo nice Bm, learn to get AR.

HOTKEYS:

Left click: berserk
Rightt click: WW, TELE, LEAP, UNSUMMON, BC, BO, SHOUT,
i use: f1-ww f2-tele f3-leap f4-unsummon
you dont really need to use asdf... on a barb

Besker? Left Click? LMFAO ROFL OMG IM CRYING. Check this out, learn how to short WW, and Tele WW instantly. Right click Tele left click WW and use shift to move triangular for WWs, saves you time and lag of switching keys. Two most viable spells ready at all times. You Tele and keep shift down and click to one of the sides of your target and guess what, they cant react fast enough and you kill them. True, sometimes this will put you in a slight bit of animation lag, just make sure you tele short so your not in it long. I cant possibly recall the last time I had Tele on Right Click...must be at least 3 years.

ALWAYS wait 8 seconds between attacks to let OW run its duration; unless you see a good opportunity to attack.
Ummm.. 1-2 WW's your caster, other then Paladins, should be dead. Paladins can take 3-5 WW's depending on your Pure Damage.

SECTION 1. PUB GAME (thanks blobs ^__________^ )

USE PRIMARY GEAR ALL THE TIME. KILL, NK, STEAL GOLD, AND THEN SAY "CRY". THIS WORKS WONDERS ON THEIR MORALE AND CAUSES THEM TO PLAY BADLY AND / OR BRING MORE DUELERS WHICH ARE CARRYING MORE GOLD. CARRY 1/4 HEALTH POTS AND 3/4 MANA POTS. USE THE PRIMARY GEAR CAUSE U CANT BE KILLED EASILY BY ANYTHING WHEN USING IT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR DAMAGE SUCKS. POT CONSTANTLY SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TOO, AND IF YOU KILL MORE, THATS MORE GOLD FOR MORE POTS.
(im usually not this mean T________________T )

Your joking, OMG please tell me your joking? Nice job learning to be "Public" and lowering yourself to the biggest noob society around. Hurt your name more. Learn to duel so when you join games people are like "OMG ITS HIM HES SO GOOOD" not "LMFAO DID YOU GO GET MROE POTS AND MERC AND STUFF?"

Switch in gores and 2x fcr rings. Start about 2-3 screens away, make sure you know where they are before the duel starts (before you say go, look where they are on the map then go about 3 screens away). Bowazons are depending that you tele right into their GA/IGA lines so you will move 90 degrees to either side while staying 3-5 screens (you dont want to appear on their map). This will leave the bowazon to guess where to fire each duel (switch ur position every duel then sometimes dont when they expect u to move position). Once the duel starts, do full screen tele's across the map until you land right ontop of them, ww till dead. If you miss or they get a lucky dodge/block then chase them quickly via namelocking (one of the only duels you want to tele namelock). Repeat until dead. If they try to use lf, just make sure to triangle ww them.
You should get them on the first tele ww if you do it right, but some zons may escape, in which case it just means you have to telestomp them till they die and triangle them if they try to tank with lf.

Your fighting noob Amazons abviously. My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you" Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.

OMG your tactics get worse I am tired of typing. Some of these tips on dueling are good, but alot of them are garbage. Your sorc tactics make me laugh. I can kill a bmana sorc using full DR and mana pots in 5 WW's and I CAN TANK THEM.

So theres your evaluation.

Oh by the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.

This post was edited by Endurack on Jun 25 2006 07:21pm

If you are using shield you are not a bvs but BvA At most

How exactly BOTD is better then grief?
GO back to school and lear some math
the ll ? -- LOL at that , the + stast -- LOL at that as you gain insignificant life +dext at the loss of dmg from grief
even 415 BOTD does less average dmg than lowest Grief (something of the lines of 315 vs 345 ) perf grief would do 100+ more dmg than 415 botd

HELLO have you ever heard of pvp penalty ?
HELLO have you ever heard of lying char screen ? your actual dmg with grief isnt displayed properly ... DUH ,

kill any es sorc with using rends gl with that , you ned high OW to kut through their es as it cant compensate the dmg from OW

as for the charms you really need about 10k ar to kill anything except high def chars , in which case angelics should do


higlords gives you ds which increases your dmg by about 30% and also has nice light res , while giving you +1 to skill - SWEETNESS

dracks > rends crushing blow is calculated based on the oponents life and when you duel oponents with decent block you will not hit often on top of the small chance to trigger CB, as oposed to OW being unblockable and with Luis's set up pretty high chance to trigger every it.

widowmaker is intended to make defensive playesr come to the ofensive not to kill them , serosly any decent BvC WILL NEVER lose to a V/T

or to any other pally type fpr that matter assuming perfectly played BvC and pally

oh and if you plan on playing on dial up you better give up BvC



d limb is used only in xtreme case of really high def oponents , i dont use it anymore as i dont need it

You cannot kill any decently buit caster with good dr and block in 2-3 hits sorry to burst your buble here

of all the nonsence you wrote here i can tell you you better go play on that 1.09 server , because thats where you belong with your old fashioned understanding of the game, yeah this is 1.11 game not 1.09

This post was edited by mainaman on Jun 25 2006 07:57pm

Lawl, nice useless comment, message me i will gladly rape your face:

*Endurack
*Domion[CR]

you my man are an idiot , i will let all the ppl that know anything about bvc laugh at your ignorance,
GJ on the BVA (or BVB that you have built )

and i play east else id gladly show you where do you belong

dont piss this man off

Nice job, you just proved you didint even read my modifications to this guide it owned you so hard. It clearly states I play east now. It also states every reason why my comments were made and the shit you commented on didint even retain to what i commented on . I.E. the comment about Steels adding like 600 Damage and you comparing CB and OW. Also my earlier comment on how every V/T on west that was part of Gimmeitam raped Blobs and you guys apprently think hes the best. So uhhh no V/T will win? lawl. Message me and get owned please.

This post was edited by Endurack on Jun 25 2006 08:15pm

Lets see, I PMed you and your still reading this forum. It took you 2-4 minutes to respond to my comments and my account names are posted here. Its been like 10 mniutes, I smell a DODGE.

Or is it past your bedtime? DODGE

Eating food to get fatter? DODGE

Fatass got stuck in the doorway? DODGE

Chubby fingers swelled up and you cant play? DODGE

Practicing more? DODGE

Mommy cancled your eBay account and your arguing? DODGE

Maybe realising you suck and your finally uninstalling? DODGE

Brain exploded because its to godly for you to comprehend? DODGE

Crying in a corner? DODGE

This post was edited by Endurack on Jun 25 2006 08:22pm