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Mar 1 2008 12:42am
Quote (cereal K @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 11:57pm)
7fps MUCH better..trust me


Not worth sacrificing dr, res and fhr to get 1 less frame per second. As far as trusting you on the subject lets see. Ive rebuilt my vita zon 4 times and at least 3 times with dex all since season 2 ladder. Also been dueling with zons since 1.08, I THINK i know my way around a zon.

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How does this zon do in Zon vs Zon?
(Bowa vs Bowa)
Feel free to pm/post.
When applying GM rules, I am aware that bo is BM in Zon vs Zon duels.


She does very well, seeing as she can take 5+ hits, has maxed passives, great dr, massive life and can kill most bow zons in 1-2 hits max. If you dont believe it look at the numbers in the Mechanics section. As far as GM dueling goes its complete bull shit. Every other character class is allowed to use a cta but not a Bow Amazon?! To my knowlege this is for two reason really...
1) People dont want to move on from the classic 1.09 glass cannon builds and cta would ruin years of tradition and dedications by so many bowzon players who kept the build alive. Basically the rule is kept in place to prevent change and evolution of the Bowzon class.
2) Its not allowed in 1 vs 1 duels to prevent zons from prebuffing then running to stash and switching to titans right before the duel. Whatever is used in in the duel i required to be on your character at all times.

Also not that Bowzons are allowed BO in tournament teams duels as there is no way t o prevent them from receiving it from a teammate and it would be nearly impossible to enforce. In my opinion they should have done away with the restrictions ages ago and let people expand the character class and attempt new builds like this one.
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-max block
there you go


Max block what? Bowzon? yeah its called a Glass Cannon

I said show me a better Vita build not refer to the cookie cutter build that everyone already knows about.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 1 2008 12:57am
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Mar 1 2008 11:45am
9/10

nice guide

30% dr isnt the cap though... wink.gif haha, its 50%


I get the feeling that you need a lot of base strength to hit 174 for coa though...possibly another helm would work?
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Mar 1 2008 12:01pm
Quote (ObiWan-Kenobi @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 04:26pm)
You will never beat these characters if they have block:

Necromancer,
Druid,
Trapper (Even with c/c.)

Don't call them easy, because they're not.


exactly and your zvz guide is messed up charging a bowa is never going to be effective if the other bowa is spamming iga's dueling pub characters is ALOT different then dueling vg duelers... you NEVER use cta anyways titans/ss > cta anyday
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Mar 1 2008 12:02pm
No mention of wsg. : \
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Mar 1 2008 12:16pm
Quote (Drugging @ Sat, Mar 1 2008, 01:01pm)
exactly and your zvz guide is messed up charging a bowa is never going to be effective if the other bowa is spamming iga's  dueling pub characters is ALOT different then dueling vg duelers... you NEVER use cta anyways titans/ss > cta anyday


tell me, how many vita zon have YOU made?

The guide on zvz is not messed up and works fine, i duel like that every game and it works 99% of the time.

On a Glass Cannon i wouldn't use a cta, thats for sure. They have low base life and usually use frw charms rather than life so the cta would provide little to no benefit. However, on a Vita zon it provides massive bonus.

I like how everything you listed are ways that this is different that a Glass Cannon zon. Of Course its diffrent, why would i have wasted my time posting a guide on a crappy build that is already listed 3 times in the Amazon guide sections that everyone knows about?! But good job on not reading the first section where i explain this... rolleyes.gif

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No mention of wsg. : \

English please.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 1 2008 12:22pm
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Mar 1 2008 02:07pm
Quote (ObiWan-Kenobi @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 11:26am)
You will never beat these characters if they have block:

Necromancer,
Druid,
Trapper (Even with c/c.)

Don't call them easy, because they're not.


Druid is toughest there, ghost sin second (dodge lock is what mainly aids them). necro's and trappers are easy, if you want to learn how to kill them, pm me..

Iso dedication note @ bottom to your's truly ><

It's good to see a guide with all the debunked myths, except I didn't have to write it LOL.

There are "hidden breakpoints", The main two to note are reaching lvl 90 (more difficult to land hits vs. esp. if you're dueling lvl 80's)

and for amazons it seemed apparent to me that about every 600 life the amazon has, she's able to take one average hit assuming she has 35+dr and maxed resists. (this does not account for blizzard/hammers/mass dmg charge)

gd ^^
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Mar 1 2008 02:10pm
Quote (Drugging @ Sat, Mar 1 2008, 01:01pm)
exactly and your zvz guide is messed up charging a bowa is never going to be effective if the other bowa is spamming iga's  dueling pub characters is ALOT different then dueling vg duelers... you NEVER use cta anyways titans/ss > cta anyday


charging another amazon is fairly simple, you run in a spiral.

Although, I do prefer titans/ss but for hybrid zons, which are best imo. (telly bowas out perform other bowas, but that's a given. Maneuverability>all)

And the best practice I've received is dueling pubs =/ Sorry, but they're more stimulating than league-style duels.

This post was edited by sorowfulhatred on Mar 1 2008 02:12pm
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Mar 1 2008 02:11pm
tl;dr


cool guide
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Mar 1 2008 02:23pm
nice i like it btw how much life will i lose if i cant afford 37 32020s
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nice i like it btw how much life will i lose if i cant afford 37 32020s


depends how much you stepped down on the life really. I mean if you used 30x 3/xx/18 sc lets say.

30 * (-2) * 1.68 = - 100 life

would save you alot of fg and only loose a little life

You can make this zon for pretty cheap or you can go all out and get perf gear, whatever your budget allows. If you want to know my exact gear or have a look at my zon in game just send me a PM.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 1 2008 02:39pm
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