ya i remember about the time i quit west was having a big discussion on whether or not to ban death. I personally thought it was dumb. People thought it was overpowered but death has its drawbacks just like edc, or ebotdz non tap setups. I thought that zbug forts were a far bigger issue, as during the ZvZ tourney that took place there was a very even distribution of weapons between death/edc/ebotdz/and gg fools. There wasn't a very even distribution of armors. People would stash a prudence away just in case but zforts were just about everyone's starting armor and hardly anyone switched away from em. I quit playing about the time the discussion got going so I'm honestly not really sure how it turned out.
anyways that was random rant of the day. But ya, grief is rediculous. Because at least with death you have to really make sacrifices to hit ias bp's. You have to make no sacrifices with grief. And I'm a westy i guess cuz idc about random little lvl 3 ctc making stuff "bm" imo.
