come on guys, we need +1 ...

Anyway I like these Ironmans, already did some, wish you good luck...

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i have read pages 1 to about 5
i hope this question isnt already answered

hell difficulty chaos sanctuary venom lords (the ones which do fire)
if i remember right they stay fire imune even with lvl 25 conviction and lvl 6 lowr resistance
and they are basic poison imune (so still big resistance)

how u will ever kill right seal?

Hey guys
I'm FraGFroG, the leader of the german ironman naked UT-killer team. We actually did something quite similar to your challenge after having finished ubertristram naked. Namely a naked MELEE ironman challenge running through the game all the way to Baal hell. We started the run at late july last year and succeeded in killing Baal (after a long and challenging fight) in the middle of december. You can find the video of our last struggle in the run (Baalrun) here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Dragonkiller1989#p/c/09532CB818CED55C/0/uIR4PPEAyEc

Unlike your run, we used exactly the same rules as in the UT-run before (you can find the rules here for example: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/naked-ironman-hardcore-uber-tristram/ ), so no quest rewards/mercs/etc. for us...

The only new rule for the melee run being this one: ALL active usable spells doing ANY damage on monsters are FORBIDDEN. This is of course true for all sorc-skills/assassin-trap-skills/druid-elemental-skills/paladin-magic/etc. doing direct damage, but it also applies to low-dmg spells such as warcry/shock-wave/mindblast/telekinesis and such, disabling almost all possible stun-skills for us. The only disabler left being Leap then, which we used quite extensively in the run...

NOT included in this rule are damage-buffs such as enchant and paladin-auras doing damage in a passive way (holy freeze/shock/fire and such).
ALSO allowed were all kinds of summons (except the skeletons/skeleton mages/revives which are forbidden by standard-rules) and all melee-attack-skills such as pala combat-skills/assassin-claw-skills/druid-shapeshift-skills. We allowed them, because we felt this wouldn't really run contrary to the notion of a "melee-run", because many melee-chars in normal d2-play would use these as well and you can't really mark them as being "magical".

Now let me describe our character-combination in short to you, we had:
1) Enchant/energy shield-sorc
2) Leap/Howl/BO/Battle Cry/Taunt/Find Potion-barb
3) Oak/Summon/Fireclaw/Rabies-druid
4) Phoenix Strike/Blades of Ice/Shadow Warrior (no master allowed, because of "illegal" magic use)/Venom/CoS/BoS-assassin
5) Conviction/Meditation/Zeal/Holy Bolt (for healing only)/Conversion-paladin
6) Salvation/Cleansing/Zeal/Holy Bolt (for healing only)/Conversion-paladin
7) Holy Shock/Vigor/Zeal/Conversion-paladin
8) Holy Freeze/Resist Fire/Zeal/Conversion-paladin

Best regards

FraGFroG

This post was edited by FraGFroG on Feb 11 2010 12:23pm

The new rule you posted is crippling the point of melee hc since stunlocking the mobs will offer no real challenge and it's considered OP.

Dude... there is absolutely no point in playing against any combo of might-/fana-/extra strong-/extra fast/cursed- helllords/deathlords/claw viper/bone fetish/ghostpacks/minions of destruction/etc. in hell without any kind of disable. Being naked you just won't survive that (getting killed in ~1 second) and therefore never ever finish ANY melee-run! It's simply NOT gonna happen! And those are just some of many impossible to handle boss groups. And we just had one bad disabler left, with warcry/shock-wave/mindblast being ruled out due to their damage, only leap as a non-damaging-skill was left, which doesn't really work on open areas or areas like the arcane santuary - you need walls for that... and you also can't use it vs lightning + cold or fire enchanted bosses for example, cause else the mass-bugged-lightning will just kill you... and we encountered at least 30 of these impossible bossgroups in the whole run!

Also: Leap doesn't work against act-bosses/ancients so it's hard enough to play this combo and we had enough near-death-experiences to make the run really challenging for all participants!

This post was edited by FraGFroG on Feb 11 2010 06:09pm

With 5k+ hp each character, max res and 2k ench damage +all the other debuffs, it's quite possible.

OK, let's just put aside for a moment, that you won't even be able to hit the impossible boss-groups, because of mass hit-recovery/stun/knockback of your characters and the fact, that you die in ~1 second against them - maybe that's a little bit exaggerated, but not too much. Let it be 2 seconds and you still can't do anything against the mentioned bossmonster-groups despite having 5k+ hp (we had all-vita-chars too btw... so I know, what I'm talking about).

- What on earth has your resistance-value to do with the mentioned boss-groups??? Nothing!
- How on earth do you come to 2k ench damage when everything is maxed??? Last time I checked it was exactly 642,5 average damage on Level 21 (with Battle Command) with maxed warmth/fire mastery... even with -100% monsterresi from conviction/lower resistance counted in, that's just 642,5 * 2 = 1285 average ench damage, not a single point more average ench damage is possible, when being naked (and even max-damage is just 1450 with Conv/LR, not a single point more)!
- How on earth can you believe, that Fire immune Minions of Destruction/Deathlords care at ALL about your ench-damage??? Even with Conv/LR being max most Fire-immune monsters won't be impressed at all by your mini-damage! Take say the Deathlords or Minions of Destruction in hell that I mentioned in the last post, which will have 81,4% fire-resistance after Conv/LR is on, reducing your average ench-damage to 119,5 per hit, which is just laughable against them... And then there are many Monsters you won't even be able to break immunity with Conv/LR at all! Infector of Souls for example has 150 % fire-immunity as standard-value in hell, making it absolutely impossible to kill with fire. You can have as much +skill-items for Conv/LR and as much firepower as you want, you won't be able to EVER break his immunity with ANY skill-combination and EVER hurt him with fire, period. And his kill is a prerequisite for Diablo to spawn, so you can't even ignore him...
- The other debuffs are mostly -defense, which we had as well (giving 95 % chance to hit) so there is no difference - btw. you don't need Inner Sight when you have Conviction + CoS active (because that's -100% defense already).

That's just for starters, I don't have the patience atm to elaborate on more points, but it should be already clear with the arguments I gave you...

This post was edited by FraGFroG on Feb 12 2010 07:53am

hmm