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Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 08:17pm)
VS hammerdins which do not play pure_desynch its even more fail. Those will keep you in namelock and jump you as long as you switch the weaponslot.
Widow/lacerators are FUCKING USELESS vs some1 who knows how to play hammer.


Sigh, I'm sorry, but you just don't have any experience here. I'm sure you've got plenty of BvC experience, or BvB, probably more than me. But when it comes to throwing hybrids, you've never tried it. You've only used a widowmaker before evidently, which indeed does leave you vulnerable, because:
1) it shoots with much longer frames, keeping you stationary after a shot and therefore an easy target
2) you can't whirlwind with it equipped

With lacerator switches, you can whirlwind away in a pinch, and throwing takes only 5 frames. Thats why a hammerdin can't leap on top of you with unsummon lock when you switch weapons. Also, unless that hammerdin is hacking out the wazoo, its damned near impossible to tell when you switch weapons, because winged axes & berserker axes look exactly the same (only difference being one is ethereal)

In other words, with chucking axes, you can play mindgames and stop him from being defensive, on top of the fact that they do more damage than whirlwind, whereas widowmaker paints a giant red target on your buttocks and pronounces how drunk you are the world and straps a giant magnet to your chest and turns all hammers into magnets of the opposite polarity. comprende?

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Apr 27 2009 02:21pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 08:19pm)
Lol like it was really necessary for him to spell it out for you? Stick to pvm.


Yes, it was actually, because given the context, it seemed like he saying Um gives resists in weapons.
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Apr 27 2009 02:22pm
Quote (Advariel @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 03:21pm)
Yes, it was actually, because given the context, it seemed like he saying Um gives resists in weapons.


Not really and he wasn't even talking to you. You just tried to act like he failed and jumped on it. Yet it backfired since you are just completely clueless. So actually it was 2-0 him not you sorry.
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Apr 27 2009 02:25pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 08:22pm)
Not really and he wasn't even talking to you. You just tried to act like he failed and jumped on it. Yet it backfired since you are just completely clueless. So actually it was 2-0 him not you sorry.


The first insult from you that has remotely any integrity. Good job, I didn't think you had it in you. But at the same time, I have to argue that no, I didn't jump on it. I simply stated Um doesn't give resists in weapons, and it turned into a flame fest (on his end) therefore he started it.

Again, congrats on that. Let's see if you can keep 'em coming.
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Quote (clan_iraq @ Mon, 27 Apr 2009, 22:15)
Yes. Because if they run, thats 0 defense & 25% block. If they only walk (we're talking fort barbs here), then what? I've got maybe 15k AR vs their 30k defense & 75% block. Thats something like 1/8 chance to hit them, am I right? Well, thats 1/8 chance for me to hit them on every attack, and a single lucky axe can do the equivalent of 25k damage (4.2k + ds + amp). So sure, a BvB can strap on his teleport from enigma, but he'll still have difficulty hitting me. Hes got a slower teleport, less mana, and no leap. If I outplay him, I can keep teleporting/chucking axes, and if I'm fast enough to avoid all his telewhirls, I'll eventually win, because those 1/8 chance to hit axes will eventually get that '1' out of 8, and bam, some amp damage, deadly strike & open wounds later, hes dead and I'm alive.

I'm not going to tell you its easy, and I'm not going to claim I have any sort of advantage over a BvB. But the difference is, its possible. Its an extremely hard duel, and the hardest possible matchup for my char. But unlike a BvC, it aint an impossibility. A BvC simply can't beat a BvB, because in order to damage him, they both are in whirlwind range of each other. With a bvc/thrower, I can out range them. Hard duel? Yes. Extremely Hard Duel? Yes. Impossible duel? No. Thats the difference there


WHat makes you think that anyone who is not completely braindead would keep forti vs a barb which is teleporting around and throwing axes at him? Furthermore, everybod who is not completely braindead WONT switch to run - since that would make all the invested points in dex completely useless...

A bvc with widow on switch would do better than a barb using lacerators, since widowbarb will hit more often due to GA, while you will have to HEAVILY pray for you to hit with lacerators.
Ever heard of namelock ww? Even a barb using forti (lets assume there are some which would do it) with that low mobility will laugh about a barb throwing lacerators on him.
1, maximally 2 namelock_whirls and game over. He wont need any leap, extra mana whatsoever

No matter how you try - bvb will laugh at a bvc saying "bent over bitch, I am the rapist here"

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Sigh, I'm sorry, but you just don't have any experience here. I'm sure you've got plenty of BvC experience, or BvB, probably more than me. But when it comes to throwing hybrids, you've never tried it. You've only used a widowmaker before evidently, which indeed does leave you vulnerable, because:
1) it shoots with much longer frames, keeping you stationary after a shot and therefore an easy target
2) you can't whirlwind with it equipped

With lacerator switches, you can whirlwind away in a pinch, and throwing takes only 5 frames. Thats why a hammerdin can't leap on top of you with unsummon lock when you switch weapons. Also, unless that hammerdin is hacking out the wazoo, its damned near impossible to tell when you switch weapons, because winged axes & berserker axes look exactly the same (only difference being one is ethereal)


Ur right - I havent tried a hybrid, but I have had throwing barb (used lacerators, warshrikes, mass dmg rares)
Even if you decide to whirl with them - a bvc will stay a cannonfodder for a bvb.
Thats common sense dude.

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Yes, it was actually, because given the context, it seemed like he saying Um gives resists in weapons.


I'm sorry. I guess I missunderstood what you meant with:

Quote (Advariel @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 09:59pm)
Too bad Um doesn't give resist all in weapons.


Before that I only mentioned that a barb losed to my dual wizzy um'd wielding barb so it kinda threw me off. Just a missunderstanding on both's end.
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I bet you'd watch giraffe porn if it existed you sick SOB

Gf.
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Quote (Advariel @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 03:25pm)
The first insult from you that has remotely any integrity.  Good job, I didn't think you had it in you.  But at the same time, I have to argue that no, I didn't jump on it.  I simply stated Um doesn't give resists in weapons, and it turned into a flame fest (on his end) therefore he started it.

Again, congrats on that.  Let's see if you can keep 'em coming.


Yeah because my initial posts making fun of the fact you thought dr% was capped at 55 had no integrity. Also, he never "flamed" he told you to check arreat summit to see what it did so maybe you could use your two braincells and figure out why a barb would use 2x umd wizzys on your own instead of being spoon fed the answer like usual.

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Quote (Spurgu @ Mon, Apr 27 2009, 08:27pm)
Before that I only mentioned that a barb losed to my dual wizzy um'd wielding barb so it kinda threw me off. Just a missunderstanding on both's end.


Agreed

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