Just because they have max block doesnt mean they are invincible, just means it will take a few more shots to beat them. All of the extra life, dr, res, etc...allows you to stay alive longer and shoot the few extra shots it will take to beat those mb characters. Switching over to some wussy pair of titans that do crap damage is not necessary. Pretty sure i explain this in the first paragraph or two of the guide.


And I am sure you want to be inlcuded in that list. And like most people i duel, if you win it obviously means you are better and my build sucks. But if I win its just a a fluk, pure luke. I win multiple times its lag, or somethign similar. This is why I dont duel every random person who comes along, special requests from people I respect are welcome to duel me but im not going to bend over backwards to duel 50 times a day to make everyone happy.

There is plenty of proof in this guide, i have provided more than enough calculations to show that it is mathematical better. This in my opinion is much more credible than any list of people I have beat or have beat me. So many other factors can play into a win in game, internet speed, computer speed, other players in a game, monsters, difficulty level, lag on bnet, luck, other members in the party, heal or rej potions used, wells or shrines used, leaching off monster, players skill, thrid party programs that people use but pretend they aren't, etc...

This post was edited by Spartikis on Jan 8 2009 04:25pm

rofl this zon is ezpk for any barb rofl
and bone necs easy lol, you won't even though them with this build

i first though this guide was heavily outdated but you still talk like this lol

Outdated? This is one of the newest guides in the amazon section. The glass cannon guide which has been used since 1.08 and slightly modified for 1.10 items is outdated.

why do you keep talking and comparing this guide with glass cannons, they both suck

i even tested many bow builds and 2k life (without bo) and rest in dex works best
your shitty item setup won't work either, shit dmg, shit speed

maybe for pubs it works or any other low-skilled duel

Wow... e-rage, calm down there kiddo

I talk about glass cannons a lot, this is true. But only because it is by far the most common build out there and versions of it have been around since the expansion came out, maybe before i can't remember back that long ago. The majority of people who come in here and bash this build seem to be players of glass cannons. You've tested many bow builds but have you built this one before? I'm going to assume no since you just recently showed up in this thread. Maybe that build you use is best for you but that doesn't mean it is the best out there. Everyone has their own setup they like and this option is there for who want it.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Jan 8 2009 04:55pm

your guide just sucks, and your mass theory craft won't make it better sry
you compare this build too much which other builds that don't work either for example 50 fg glass cannons chars

your a complete fucken moron...
u dont even know wat bo lvl i have when i go to chest n put gear on... for all u know i could have p bo
n you all there talkin shit... the entire point of me even postin here is
saying that the build is bad.... u tell every1 that u use this build makes a idiot aswell
point is this build is stupid z v z n z v a it wont do shit to any1
shit life shit ias shit defensive properties no ss/titan = ur dead no need to say more
done

another thing lets say u go vs a bvc without a shield/titans... its pointsless ur dead from the start
any decent zon user will tell u that... without titans u wont win...
with this build u say u have shield/titans in stash or some diff occastions
isnt you boing then getting shileld/titans of chest the same shit me getting bo before a duel...

Lightning fury is good against like 3 chars. Definately for zvz and for smiters or any other charging pally, and at the least barbs, but ive found it easier to use cta + ss on switch for barbs. I tank more and kb + 7 fpa with diamond faith kills a barb much easier than fury.

I have an 8 fpa setup for more damage, and 7 fpa with less damage but helps for barbs and such chars that need alot of stun.



If u read the guide, then you would know this is a ZvA build, not ZvZ strictly. That means its meant to handle pubs, tvt, 1v1 against any char. If u want to strictly ZvZ, go with ur standard shit glass build or w/e u have to do to win at ZvZ. Ive won 95% of ZvZ with this build, but i know its not the best for ZvZ, but its the best for all. There are like 2-3 zons ive seen on east that dont use this build and have handled ZvA as well as this.



There are only 3 barbs on east that have beat me ft5 more than 1 fluke time. Stone, Punch, Whirl. None of u that posted here are these barbs, so i know for a fact none of u can beat me barb vs zon.




Wheres ur higher life? Wheres ur dr? Wheres ur res?

I have 7 fpa, as do u, so dont start there.



U lack the + skills our zon has to have a higher bo... that is without prebuff with sojs and maras etc... Refer to this spart's response.

Im done with u moron.

Nice

very nice