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Jul 9 2022 07:03pm
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And if I'm gonna use slow bow like GMB, I would use WF+Faith over GMB to be honest. High damage and still get to use razortail and atma.


WF + Faith has much lower DPS, i think if you want to use razor + atma, GMB Faith + Pride/Might + archon plate 30 IAS 90 max is better.
Its 7 fpa too with razor + atma, and according to d2maxroll its 5k higher DPS than WF + Faith.

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Jul 9 2022 07:23pm
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WF + Faith has much lower DPS, i think if you want to use razor + atma, GMB Faith + Pride/Might + archon plate 30 IAS 90 max is better.
Its 7 fpa too with razor + atma, and according to d2maxroll its 5k higher DPS than WF + Faith.


That's not a telebowa though. Haha
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Jul 9 2022 07:34pm
Yeah it was about runner
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Yeah it was about runner


Yeah just go make a video of you doing p8 like it's p1 with your gmb bowzon and post it here. I'm waiting for that.
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Jul 10 2022 04:18am
Never made any d2 vids, maybe i will, idk.

I asked if you would like to test it, since for me it was just "damn, my dmg aint good on p8" and testing out Wrath which fixed the issue.
Idk if other players would like it though, since it doesnt have synergy with telebowa (unless someone can play with 40 fcr), and it requires action on switch, and it works best with strafe, not multishot (idk why is that).
Maybe they won't like it at all, idk, because i don't know anyone who used it. :D

I also personally don't care that much about making the shortest run time possible, i like maximizing the DPS most (with at least sub-optimal run time).

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I dont get Atma being like no1 most important item for Bowa, i did play with Atma for quite some time, its nice to have, but didn't feel essential.
Even more so since it gets overriden by Decrepify (from either Wrath or Reaper).
Having +35% crit chance & 5-15k more DPS on top of that seems like a nice alternative.

I am really curious though about rare GMB with 5% amplify + Atma, how would double the chance to amplify work out. ^^

And Razortail with 100% pierce vs no Razortail with 90-91% pierce seems almost equal.

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Jul 10 2022 05:58am
Also for highest merc DPS, it would be 240/15 Eth reaper with 15max/40ed Jewel, diadem 30str 45/120 and Eth SA forti... Max ias BP, 50k DPS + 33% decrepify, quite insane.
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Never made any d2 vids, maybe i will, idk.

I asked if you would like to test it, since for me it was just "damn, my dmg aint good on p8" and testing out Wrath which fixed the issue.
Idk if other players would like it though, since it doesnt have synergy with telebowa (unless someone can play with 40 fcr), and it requires action on switch, and it works best with strafe, not multishot (idk why is that).
Maybe they won't like it at all, idk, because i don't know anyone who used it. :D


Yeah that FCR isn't worth doing a telebowa. The clear time will hurt with that bp.

It works better with strafe because strafe arrow carries all proc, multishot is only center 2 arrow when even number and 1 arrow with odd number.

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I also personally don't care that much about making the shortest run time possible, i like maximizing the DPS most (with at least sub-optimal run time).


This is where we disagree. Clear time tells better story than DPS.

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I dont get Atma being like no1 most important item for Bowa, i did play with Atma for quite some time, its nice to have, but didn't feel essential.
Even more so since it gets overriden by Decrepify (from either Wrath or Reaper).
Having +35% crit chance & 5-15k more DPS on top of that seems like a nice alternative.


Even from doing 3 mins chaos run in P8 game, atma gives higher damage per run than your alternative. You never played telebowa, so you don't know how it works in action. The fact that you can reposition reapers merc anywhere on top of that, you can position yourself instantly to maximize the multishot reaching every mob on and off screen. This gives the edge to telebowa over any walkzon.

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And Razortail with 100% pierce vs no Razortail with 90-91% pierce seems almost equal.


Just not true if you are actually clearing in full. 1 out of 10 mobs leftover means couple seconds added to the clear time. That adds up by a lot if you do a full run.

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Also for highest merc DPS, it would be 240/15 Eth reaper with 15max/40ed Jewel, diadem 30str 45/120 and Eth SA forti... Max ias BP, 50k DPS + 33% decrepify, quite insane.


I had that set up before. Treachery+4015 Gface+Ber Reapers kills P8 diablo quicker. his DPS is negligible when he has 55% CB against P8 diablo.
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Jul 10 2022 09:28am
How about an MF Telebowa build? 😀
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Jul 10 2022 09:30am
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How about an MF Telebowa build? 😀


You really don't need the damage charms as you can see from my current hybrid pack I'm selling.

You can just stack a ton of mf charms. You have like 140 something from enigma and WT already.
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Jul 10 2022 09:32am
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I had that set up before. Treachery+4015 Gface+Ber Reapers kills P8 diablo quicker. his DPS is negligible when he has 55% CB against P8 diablo.


Good to know! Thx
Ecspecially since its sooo much cheaper.

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It works better with strafe because strafe arrow carries all proc, multishot is only center 2 arrow when even number and 1 arrow with odd number.


The strangest thing is that strafe works very badly vs bosses (for example Wrath should always proc with one volley, but it often doesnt)
but works very well at procing vs all groups of enemies. Idk if its just the matter of multiple enemies + pierce increasing the chances, or some other mechanics involved.
Even GA is more reliable to proc vs boss.

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This is where we disagree. Clear time tells better story than DPS.


Yeah, thats the biggest disagreement. Because many players automatically assume, that only CS run *time* matters,
but there is also fun factor, liking huge DPS etc, or some different mechanics that make game more entartaining (like Wrath on switch).

There are a ton of discussions like that.
"Why would you ever need GG items on PVM? Its only PVP that matters"
and so on

I just like to chill, listen to some new music albums and do some D2R runs with my bowa,
i also like playing with numbers, doing max DPS, and getting some cool maxrolls. xd
Farming factor aint that important, i earned much more through trade & lucky rolls than i did through farming anyway.

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Even from doing 3 mins chaos run in P8 game, atma gives higher damage per run than your alternative. You never played telebowa, so you don't know how it works in action. The fact that you can reposition reapers merc anywhere on top of that, you can position yourself instantly to maximize the multishot reaching every mob on and off screen. This gives the edge to telebowa over any walkzon.


I did try telebowa in last 2 days! :D
It does feel faster (river of flame ecspecially...), though i didn't enjoy it that much. Its not my playstyle i guess
Its also pretty high tension to go glass cannon with tele, like, i didn't die, but i had a feeling all the time that i might die.
And since i dont play a lot, dying on level 95-96 takes away soooo many days of exping. Maybe with CTA i could consider it, to feel safer (though i would loose like 1-2 fcr bp this way).

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You really don't need the damage charms as you can see from my current hybrid pack I'm selling.

You can just stack a ton of mf charms. You have like 140 something from enigma and WT already.


Eni + Wartravs 50 + Gheed 40 + 10 sc 3max/ar/7mf is already 260 MF, could go much higher with more 3max/7mf, maybe some MF on rare ring(s)

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