hf is always bm vs zon

Does not take away from the validity of my original message.

i would like to second this statement

anyway gogo make smiter a 5-0 him ^^

Theres always at least one of u retard spawns just randomly popping up in this thread or Sparts. All u guys do is theorycraft and point out the obvious that u can kill a char much easier with its weakness (aka smiter against zon), but unlike u, some people have skill and can kill people around the weaknesses.

1.) You will never 5-0 me at anything ever, just pointing that out. And how would u KNOW that u can 5-0 me? Are u psychic or hiding behind the fact that u will never face me to make such a ridiculous claim?
2.) Im posting here because i know this is a good build and owns plenty of people, unlike u and the handfull of noobs who dont think so just because in theory it shouldnt. Ive dueled this char and seen it duel and it owns, but u will never duel either of us because u'll just make up excuses not to, but still hide. You will never realize that certain chars can clear a game based purely on skill, not on the build it is.
3.)
The reason behind this is because everyone has a certain way to duel, and ive personally never took anyones advice of how to duel, i duel my own way. A clear example is how most zons duel trappers from a max distance to avoid getting hit, i stand within range of the trapper because i can tank/nl the sin and kill it, i know it works, ive done it for the best trappers on east etc...
4.) no char dominates pvp so long as they have a weakness, idk where u got that last thing u said, but ur pretty much pulling shit outta ur ass.

And for the record, this zon or my zon can survive bm situations such as slow/prison/decep etc... its much much harder, but its no where near as impossible to get out as it is with a glass zon.
If the person has to bm to win, its clear that ur char is much better than theirs and they pretty much accepted defeat. So if u have to use bm to beat either of our zons, then that truly shows ur lack of skills.



he wont because he'll lose, and he knows it. He just hides behind the fact that he doesnt have to, so it makes it look like he can lol.

Ok this is becoming ridiculous. I'm going to break down the simple argument you just cannot seem to understand. If you disagree with something I'm saying, address it by number.

1) You acknowledge that weaknesses do exist in a bowazon.



2) You claim that skill is more important than the build of the character (within reason of course).



3) You claim that you overcome your specific zons weaknesses by personal skill.



4) You claim, on multiple occasions, that you have beat the best on east. Beaten them despite these weaknesses.

5) Therefore, you claim beat the best on east out of pure skill.

6) Finally, the only logical conclusion to your arguments is: You have more skill than east.




Understand why I think your stupid?

This post was edited by edgie on Oct 15 2008 08:32pm

Stupid?

lemme break down what i mean for those of who u who are new to the word "skill" in this game.

All chars have a weakness, and without skill on a char, u will die because of that weakness endlessly. When i started with this vita zon, smiters were one of the harder chars because i had little experience with a vita zon ( only old school glass and hybrids). Within 1-2 weeks of dueling, i grew to know my zon, and the way to duel with it in a more experienced and SKILLFUL way. Now that i have even more skill than when i started, i have indeed killed the best smiters, but that doesnt mean i 5-0 them, it simply means that i kill them 50% of the time or more. So i reduced my chance of losing from most of the time against a smiter, to only half of the time or less, and thats considering the fact that a smiter is one of a bowzons greatest weaknesses.

So in conclusion, just incase u were too lazy or too stupid to read all that, i merely stated that i have a 50% or more chance of winning against one of my greatest weakness due to my skill. A good smiter will still kill me semi often, but compared to when i had like no skill with a vita zon ( which lasted like a week after i made it), i die ALOT less, and a majority of the time kill them more than they kill me.

This is talking GM vs GM, 1v1. U pretty much have only stated bm occasions of my zon dying (holy freeze, %slow from items, bone prison, decep etc...) so, i have yet to see a valid point from all ur ranting about either of our zons.

This post was edited by Mattd90 on Oct 15 2008 08:41pm

Yeah I figured I would get answer that didn't respond to my argument. Beating a class more than 50% of the time is still a win and therefore my argument is still valid. Please address my argument in the way it is posted - clear and concise. Feel free to point out any claim that I made that is not justified.

This post was edited by edgie on Oct 15 2008 09:06pm

i dont like that guide seems a little to random for me xD

Where is bb? where is titans

Why nn max this xD

11 critical
16 guided

Thats the dmg on ama xD so ofc max that

nn enigma sucks on bowa maybe?

and special nn valk lvl 20 xD

And btw nice dmg but is np for someone get that dmg is only cause of psn

My ama lvl 89 got 8 k dmg with 3 x psn scs 377

so is only cause of crappy psn

This post was edited by GiXThom on Oct 15 2008 09:07pm

How can i answer clearly when the question is anything but clear and concise? You never really asked a question moron. You simply stated that a smiter should kill my or sorrow's zon no problem a majority of the time. I simply stated that skill can overcome anything, hence when gg bvc's own the fuck outta some of the best hammerdins, even synchers. In ur world where skill dont matter, then yes, a char with with a weakness fighting that weakness will die. Once u get skill in pvp, ull finally understand what im trying to say.

This post was edited by Mattd90 on Oct 15 2008 09:14pm