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#501
Dec 13 2021 03:30am
Quote (m12wh1t3 @ 13 Dec 2021 03:31)
For some reason why merc dies really quickly now vs conviction when I changed to the visionary circlet instead of andariel. Instead of dying due to -resist hydra damage, he seems to get burst down rather quickly via melee attacks. Weird

However without conviction, he is doing a pretty nice job now


If you're on eBOTD it comes down to swinging slower; Arioc's doesn't have the same problem as much, but way less life leech.
Try to Teleport on top of the Conviction council member It might help.
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#502
Dec 13 2021 04:12pm
Hi;
I want to make one objection about andy visage - I want to say that andy visage is an extremely meh helmet, because it only offers 20IAS and causes a decrease of FR that you have to deal with.
If you have it, a tiara of the lamprey socketed with IASED jewels is nice. (45 IAS and 6-7LL even if you cant afford IASED jwels)
If you dont have it, use gu<something>me's face and the frequent CB is nice, especially with BOTD. A calculation with the D2planner shows that the CB of gu<>me's face can increase DPS by up to 10%, and even more when it comes t o stone skin. Actually, with the high ED from fort and might aura, ED and DTD become really meh due to dimishing returns, so tiara of lamprey might even be worse than gu<>me's face.

Andy vis is only when you can't get LL elsewhere AND cant afford a tiara of the lamprey, which usually only happens in budget builds.

This post was edited by wilhelmw on Dec 13 2021 04:36pm
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#503
Dec 13 2021 04:18pm
Also I think you cant just give up on fort because of the massive ED it provides. Neither Glad Bane nor Hades offers more ED than fort.
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Fort has 300ED
Hades has 60+40*3 = 180ED (DTD = ED when attacking demons) (if you have 40DTD40ED jewels never mind)
COH has 200ED + some ED from all skills
Glad Bane has uh nothing; free cham though

the frozen armor almost never shatters corpses; i think it is not that large a problem.

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Dec 13 2021 04:43pm
Quote (wilhelmw @ 13 Dec 2021 17:18)
Also I think you cant just give up on fort because of the massive ED it provides. Neither Glad Bane nor Hades offers more ED than fort.
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Fort has 300ED
Hades has 60+40*3 = 180ED (DTD = ED when attacking demons) (if you have 40DTD40ED jewels never mind)
COH has 200ED + some ED from all skills
Glad Bane has uh nothing; free cham though

the frozen armor almost never shatters corpses; i think it is not that large a problem.


Glad's bane is a budget option.

As far as Andy's, 20IAS is all you need with War Pike eBOTD. Hell if you have eBOTD you can run 3os of Wealth with 30IAS/80ED + 40ED/30 Goldfind (80IAS is the only useful breakpoint for War Pike eBOTD, 100IAS is a waste)

Just like I dont mention a 3os of Wealth with 3x 40ED/30Goldfind, I don't really bring up the high flexibility options. Once you're at that point, the world is your oyster :D Tweak until you find what works best for you.

I run Arioc's 15/40
3os/80%GF circlet socketed with 3x 40ED/30GF
Chains of Honor

CoH is my only source of life leech, but it's more than enough if you pay attention, just need to be proactive.

Currently building towards a Perf Eth Hone Sundan with 3x 40ED/30GF for the ideal mix of GF/DPS when the timer is a bit longer than 40s.

You probably don't need GFace's DPS. CB is irrelevant vs. Trav unless you're using a low DPS setup, and the DStrike isn't gonna do enough to warrant giving up on an IAS breakpoint for Jab due to how fast the merc springs into action after Tele, and he's already overkilling.

Aren't you already clearing sub-timer anyway?

Another setup (lazy asf) is

eBOTD WP
CoH
Andy + Cham

Big DPS, 33LL + overcapped resists.

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Dec 13 2021 05:14pm
Quote (Exokek @ Dec 13 2021 11:43pm)
Glad's bane is a budget option.

As far as Andy's, 20IAS is all you need with War Pike eBOTD. Hell if you have eBOTD you can run 3os of Wealth with 30IAS/80ED + 40ED/30 Goldfind (80IAS is the only useful breakpoint for War Pike eBOTD, 100IAS is a waste)

Just like I dont mention a 3os of Wealth with 3x 40ED/30Goldfind, I don't really bring up the high flexibility options. Once you're at that point, the world is your oyster :D Tweak until you find what works best for you.

I run Arioc's 15/40
3os/80%GF circlet socketed with 3x 40ED/30GF
Chains of Honor

CoH is my only source of life leech, but it's more than enough if you pay attention, just need to be proactive.

Currently building towards a Perf Eth Hone Sundan with 3x 40ED/30GF for the ideal mix of GF/DPS when the timer is a bit longer than 40s.

You probably don't need GFace's DPS. CB is irrelevant vs. Trav unless you're using a low DPS setup, and the DStrike isn't gonna do enough to warrant giving up on an IAS breakpoint for Jab due to how fast the merc springs into action after Tele, and he's already overkilling.

Aren't you already clearing sub-timer anyway?

Another setup (lazy asf) is

eBOTD WP
CoH
Andy + Cham

Big DPS, 33LL + overcapped resists.


ah ok I found you idea of replacing lamprey circlet with GF circlet quite surprising.
GF circlet gives you 90 extra EG(halved to 45 because its on merc and does not affect hork) but forces you to use COH, losing 100 ish ED. Is it because of the conviction aura?

I am clearing sub timer if I rush... but I tend to be really slow because I cube stuff and identify stuff and do other stuff often.
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#506
Dec 13 2021 05:25pm
Quote (wilhelmw @ 13 Dec 2021 18:14)
ah ok I found you idea of replacing lamprey circlet with GF circlet quite surprising.
GF circlet gives you 90 extra EG(halved to 45 because its on merc and does not affect hork) but forces you to use COH, losing 100 ish ED. Is it because of the conviction aura?

I am clearing sub timer if I rush... but I tend to be really slow because I cube stuff and identify stuff and do other stuff often.


yeah, the resists are phenomenal, especially with conviction being a bit of a problem
sometimes i even think i should run 3os of Wealth with 2x 15 All Res/30% Goldfind and 1x 40ED/30 Goldfind (or Cham) to the Merc keeps 75 Resists vs. Conviction. It's basically better than Kira's at that point.

This is my current setup: https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/fq0106r3#1
I change a lot depending on the timer. If the timer is 50-60s I use this one, or Andy's if it's at 40s. If it goes up to 60-90s I usually switch into even more Goldfind (Black Hades, Hone Sundan for the extra sockets, etc.)

And yeah, you should be able to cube/ID during the run usually, and stash. It's always part of the time spent calculating my runs, otherwise the reports wouldn't be realistic at all.
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#507
Dec 13 2021 08:42pm
Quote (Exokek @ Dec 13 2021 03:43pm)
Glad's bane is a budget option.

As far as Andy's, 20IAS is all you need with War Pike eBOTD. Hell if you have eBOTD you can run 3os of Wealth with 30IAS/80ED + 40ED/30 Goldfind (80IAS is the only useful breakpoint for War Pike eBOTD, 100IAS is a waste)

Just like I dont mention a 3os of Wealth with 3x 40ED/30Goldfind, I don't really bring up the high flexibility options. Once you're at that point, the world is your oyster :D Tweak until you find what works best for you.

I run Arioc's 15/40
3os/80%GF circlet socketed with 3x 40ED/30GF
Chains of Honor

CoH is my only source of life leech, but it's more than enough if you pay attention, just need to be proactive.

Currently building towards a Perf Eth Hone Sundan with 3x 40ED/30GF for the ideal mix of GF/DPS when the timer is a bit longer than 40s.

You probably don't need GFace's DPS. CB is irrelevant vs. Trav unless you're using a low DPS setup, and the DStrike isn't gonna do enough to warrant giving up on an IAS breakpoint for Jab due to how fast the merc springs into action after Tele, and he's already overkilling.

Aren't you already clearing sub-timer anyway?

Another setup (lazy asf) is

eBOTD WP
CoH
Andy + Cham

Big DPS, 33LL + overcapped resists.


125ias is worth hitting with warpike because it drops your frames per jab to 10 (which is something like 85% of your merc's attacks). Requires another 65% IAS between helm/armor which narrows your options on what gear you can use by a lot.

edit: do you think cham'ing a hades with 2x 15ias/15@res jewels is worth it? cold aura + blizzard casting trash seems to really ruin my mercs day

This post was edited by BrianPeppers on Dec 13 2021 08:51pm
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Dec 13 2021 08:52pm
Quote (BrianPeppers @ 13 Dec 2021 21:42)
125ias is worth hitting with warpike because it drops your frames per jab to 10 (which is something like 85% of your merc's attacks). Requires another 65% IAS between helm/armor which narrows your options on what gear you can use by a lot.


Yeah, and then you lose all the ED/survivability from Fort or CoH for Treachery's 45IAS and trashy defenses :(

I've even tried a 24fhr Jeweler's AP with 45IAS/45 Resists and a rare 40demons/30ed jewel, and it wasn't even close.

125 WOULD be worth hitting if we could get the extra 65IAS from a helmet alone :(

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#509
Dec 14 2021 08:32am
Quote (BrianPeppers @ 13 Dec 2021 21:42)

edit: do you think cham'ing a hades with 2x 15ias/15@res jewels is worth it? cold aura + blizzard casting trash seems to really ruin my mercs day


I've done that before, but somewhat differently. Either way so far I haven't found a _single_ setup where giving up CoH/Fort's ED was worth it, unless you were specifically socketing for the purpose of adding more Goldfind (15@/30Goldfind in Hades, etc.)
If you want a Cham, just do:

- eBOTD WP
- Andy's + Cham (80IAS breakpoint)
- CoH AP

that gives you 28-33% life leech, Cham, and the ideal IAS Breakpoint for a WP setup without compromising anything.

https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/fq0106r3#2
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#510
Dec 14 2021 09:24am
Not sure that anyone's super interested, but I figured I'd share.

I'm been messing with some close to this setup, and it's awfully bursty, without needing any "impossible" items (Rare Jewels or Rare Weapons/Circlets etc.)
Arioc's + Lo Rune (70% Deadly Strike)
3os Circlet of Wealth (80% Goldfind) + 3x 15/40ED Jewels
Chains of Honor

This hits the 75IAS breakpoint on Arioc's, and CoH takes care of the Resists/Life Leech.
It's definitely missing on the extra goldfind Jewels you can squeeze instead of the 15/40 Jewels, but if the timer ever disappears completely, this competes with DPS Goldfind Barbs.
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