Yeah, 38 is the last breakpoint iirc. You rarely get there unless you make weird gearing choices, mostly hit the previous breakpoint if you're maxing Warcries.

Can bring a horse to water but you can't make them admit that using CB on white mobs is fucking stupid

I really dislike how I present to you the reasons why I don't use it, and all I get back is "LOL OK", with 0 rationale aside from "BUT HOW BOUT THE DEE PEE ESS?" I feel like I'm just getting baited.
Just as a show of good faith I'll run a dozen gold caps with GFace when I have time & see if there's some hidden spreadsheet mathematikzz woven into the fabric of it that compensates for losing 10 life leech and IAS when you encounter godly council combos.

If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to change all these setups and find some better alternative that tackles every Hell Trav combo reliably without having to reset or leap around.
I'm already working on some tweaks to the godly setups, so it'll be a good experiment to run again.

This post was edited by Exokek on Oct 29 2021 12:05pm

Its not as simple as you might think. Running a few dozen wont yield you the results you would want. Such as Sasax said, if you have ran enough runs in trav there will be a time where you get absolutely 0 gold. This is from kills and the skill. I have ran into this plenty of times. You could run a few dozen and have really bad luck on all the runs or all really high end runs.

Also the LL is not really necessary it depends on the gearing on your merc. If you merc is dealing more damage then you will get more life on return for him.

This post was edited by Competitive on Oct 29 2021 12:11pm

I know that. And I state it in the guide, by basically line number 20.
It's not about your gold per run, it's about time to gold cap.

That's the whole premise.

Life Leech is useful specifically because it's there with damage. If GFace had LL I'd likely use it over andy at mid levels of gear. The problem with CB is that it's best when your damage is shit, and the entire build runs Hell Trav on a budget in about 1 minute. It's basically never needed.

CB is completely wasted if you have a good DPS setup at Trav. I don't even know why that's a controversial statement.
This isn't Hell Baal, and you wouldn't waste your time spamming single target Static Fields with a 65% chance of failing when it's most useful (essentially at 100%) against Council Members.

Giving up 9frames per hit for 11frames per hit and 10%LL just to squeeze out a hypothetical CB DPS that never matters is so nonsensical here I'm not even computing.

I'll run 200 GFace runs if I must. The results will be the exact same clear-wise (sub-1 minute) but my Merc will get a few extra random deaths & I'll have to spend more time babysitting him due to lack of life leech vs. tougher auras, as he misses a few hits on white mobs (unlike with Arioc's) in a row while I'm off popping corpses.
This is something I've seen happen so many times I'm losing count. I'll run it again just to see if my experience is tainted by some selection bias.



We're talking about setups that are literally sub-1 second killing Council Members on paper, whether we use Andy or GFace. Tiny pebbles of "more damage" from GFace doesn't do anything for us without Life Leech.
We could multiply the damage dealt on hit and I probably wouldn't notice a difference if I don't have life leech, since the bottlenecks have become "chance to hit so that I can leech".
If people think GFace provides enough damage over Andy's to generate 66% extra life leech on its own, I have a bridge to sell.

The way we break the sustain bottlenecks since we're already maxed on damage is either with Arioc's ITD vs. the minions + Demon Limb for the AR vs. Super Uniques, and Amp Damage for a damage/leech multiplier.
On the eBOTD setup we can't guarantee the hits as easily, and the damage is high enough not to NEED Demon Limb if we have enough leech. 25% is a sweet spot that basically removes the need to guarantee hits.

eBOTD's tendency to miss white council members in long streaks of bad RNG has backfired more often than I wish it did.
Thankfully, it has built-in LL.

This post was edited by Exokek on Oct 29 2021 12:40pm

if you want to compare properly count the time needed to run, not the gold (rng) that results of it .......

My thoughts exactly

That's the entire guide's premise.

I stated it back then, about your "It's not about your gold per run, it's about time to gold cap."

Oct 29 2021 12:53pm

The overall goal is to max your gold stash while spending the least of amount of time and effort doing it.



Also depends on how you look as controversial because some will come at you for using andys and not cot. As I mentioned though, do what works for you.

your "ideal" boots don't even have frw but an useless 40cr

da fuc rand

welp. clearly missed a thing during the triple checking.
had to redo the images because all the files were gone, and i must've generated the wrong ones on d2planner while selecting mods.

fixed ty