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Jun 4 2021 05:57am
Quote (Tarisus @ 4 Jun 2021 13:32)
6 socket PB has no damage. So CB is okey better.


got your point but it's still an almost wasted slot for 10% cb.
I would save 185 str and go dracul instead.
Also the weapon is kinda overkill. uber baal does not have that much defense (chance to hit it's more compensate by level gap) and your main problem is the ctb
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Quote (attila @ Jun 4 2021 04:57am)
got your point but it's still an almost wasted slot for 10% cb.
I would save 185 str and go dracul instead.
Also the weapon is kinda overkill. uber baal does not have that much defense (chance to hit it's more compensate by level gap) and your main problem is the ctb


Man I love LOH, and both of u are right, but cuz first time making such hilarious "6xEth" PB i just wanna make sure I got as high CB as possible,
cuz "-75% boss's def" is for apply CB on them, with rend or crafted gloves i can get 50CB.
I should wear LOH in that Last wish build recording but I forgot :o

This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 4 2021 06:04am
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Quote (Ironboar @ 4 Jun 2021 14:02)
Man I love LOH, and both of u are right, but cuz first time making such hilarious "6xEth" PB i just wanna make sure I got as high CB as possible,
cuz "-75% boss's def" is for apply CB on them, with rend or crafted gloves i can get 50CB.
I should wear LOH in that Last wish build recording but I forgot :o


yeah you need nothing more than cb to clear uber.
there are tons of video with paladin lvl 5x at day 1-2 of ladder that clear them just with a 4pdiamond shield and a black flail.
Not gonna debating the original idea tho

gj btw with your guide
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Jun 4 2021 06:16am
Quote (gel87 @ Jun 4 2021 04:42am)
Okay, if feral uses glove side wsm, and "previous main" ias modifier then i see no improvements to be done.

But if feral use "previous main" both wsm and ias there are much more to be tested :)


However i dont think this bug will work as bearbarb or bear sin.

Because as a bear you have to use normal attack. Normal attack uses both wepons speed individual. Not like feral rage/frenzy/double throw/single throw/berzerk and so on.

At least that happened to me when I tried to wsm bug my bearsin and bear barb. But there is a small chance that it uses main wep ias, but individual wsm, but u doubt it, would be epic if, cause then dual claw bear sin with fool runic + 100ias gt(3frames with clawblock, 5ctc mods possible and stacking either ds or cb, and claw masteries bonuses)


U are right, yesterday I didn't post the bear vid I said is because of this :rofl: , and I just realized it after ending record:
bear except for Druid, only use normal attack, when I built a pure dex glitch bear and do CBaal, I can clearly feel it's alternatively attack (small PB dmg and huge Grief), still nice performance, just not smooth as wolf, every attack by wolf is Grief, so ya I think not wsm things, the WP WSM formula cannot be applied, since both parameter should be distinguish, 1 fast 1 slow, here both are (-30).

I remember 1 year ago I tested different bases, dual CB wolf, 1x LW CB, 1x (str/dex glitch) CB, bit slower, cannot remember exactly scene, I will test it again another day to make sure.

This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 4 2021 06:27am
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Quote (attila @ Jun 4 2021 05:06am)
yeah you need nothing more than cb to clear uber.
there are tons of video with paladin lvl 5x at day 1-2 of ladder that clear them just with a 4pdiamond shield and a black flail.
Not gonna debating the original idea tho

gj btw with your guide


we got some connection actually:https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Boar
I planned to use Attila as my jsp name, after found its been take I use this IronBoar which in attila AoE task 1 :P
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Quote (Ironboar @ 4 Jun 2021 14:24)
we got some connection actually:https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Boar
I planned to use Attila as my jsp name, after found its been take I use this IronBoar which in attila AoE task 1 :P


LOL
I remember well that quest, nice one :D
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Jun 4 2021 07:32am
I tested the build with a strength glitch setup. So my phaseblade has a -15 req 9 to strength jewel in it.

For some reason, I can only get it to work with Eth Oath Balrog Blade as far as decent alternative weapons that aren't phaseblades.

I tried Edeath CB and CS and neither of them seemed to work, at least not in singleplayer. Normal attack would clearly use Edeath, feral rage would just swing at 3 frames and do zero damage (use neither weapon) so that's weird. I'm not sure if it's because there's such a huge IAS difference or what. I ended up throwing a Hel Rune in my Wolfhowl.

Eth oath balrog blade would be a pretty solid budget weapon for early ladder, but I'd probably just grind some more with the sorc until I can get Grief, the damage is just so much better.
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Quote (Dr_Lecter @ 4 Jun 2021 15:32)
I tested the build with a strength glitch setup. So my phaseblade has a -15 req 9 to strength jewel in it.

For some reason, I can only get it to work with Eth Oath Balrog Blade as far as decent alternative weapons that aren't phaseblades.

I tried Edeath CB and CS and neither of them seemed to work, at least not in singleplayer. Normal attack would clearly use Edeath, feral rage would just swing at 3 frames and do zero damage (use neither weapon) so that's weird. I'm not sure if it's because there's such a huge IAS difference or what. I ended up throwing a Hel Rune in my Wolfhowl.

Eth oath balrog blade would be a pretty solid budget weapon for early ladder, but I'd probably just grind some more with the sorc until I can get Grief, the damage is just so much better.


How many str in wolfhowl?

This post was edited by cantero on Jun 4 2021 07:48am
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Jun 4 2021 07:53am
Supplement 5 - Damage calculation on a Level 95 Barb
I try to calculate the entire dmg of grief build, possible will make some mistake, plz lmk know.

Char info
Level 95 Barbarian
Level 26 Sword Masteries after BO,
6/6/6 wolfhowl + (highlord +1 skill) + (Anni +1 skill) + (Battle Command +1 skill), so werewolf & Feral Rage lvl are both 9>
life after BO and werewolf: 5075 life
dex = 136,
Strength = 475 (from gears & point-addition)


1. Weapon
Grief
roll: +400 dmg
base: +15%ed Phase Blade
min base dmg = 1.15 x 31 = 35.65
max base dmg = 1.15 x 35 = 40.25
wp dmg = 435.65 ~ 440.25


2. Dmg from charms & gears
Jewel on Wolfhowl: 30max
9x"14-76 GC": 9 x 14=126max
10x"4-20 sc": 10 x 4=40max
<didn't put 451 psn sc for this calculation>
dmg from charms & gears = 30+126+40=196


now max dmg from wp & jewel & sockets = 440.25+196=636.25max

Skill ed%
Feral Rage: 90%ed
Sword mastery: 153%ed
Skill ed% = 90%ed+183%ed=243%ed

Gears ed%
Fort: 300%ed
Steelrend: 60%ed
Gear ed% = 360%

Str ed%
Str ed% = 475% (per point per %ed)


Aura ed%
Level 23 Might (Cap is 20 for lvl95 merc, but Battle Command +1, eAndy+2, = 23): 260%ed
Level 20 Pride (I never use pride cuz I dont like switch form but for calculation here): 345%ed
Aura ed% = 605%ed

ed% from skill & gear & str & aura = 243+360+475+605 = 1683%


Min overall dmg = 440.25 x (1683% + 100% modifier) = 7,849.6575
Min overall dmg = 636.25 x (1683% + 100% modifier) = 11,344.3375
7.85k ~ 11.34k? avg-dmg = 9,596.9975 = 9.6k

Deadly Strike
Grief: 20%DS
Gore: 15%DS
Amulet: 35%DS (char lvl is 95)
DS% = 70% total

CS
Sword mastery: 31%CS

Like D2 wiki-like websites said DS & CS don't stack with each other, but if one of them triggered (DS 70 is not very low), then:


15,699.315~22,688.675, 15.7k ~ 22.69k? avg-dmg = 19,193.995 = 19.2k

Other unrelated things:
3F = 6.25 attack per sec
4F = 8.33 attack per sec
Atma's dmg AMP (I normally only use atma instead of HL): 200%


I highly possible made some mistake, haven't done any grief dmg calculate b4, the Grief glitch wolf barb can one-shot most monsters but I think it's max dmg may under 10k? not sure if I should calc ed from aura, gear, str, soc, charms in this way, lmk

This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 4 2021 08:12am
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Quote (Dr_Lecter @ Jun 4 2021 06:32am)
I tested the build with a strength glitch setup. So my phaseblade has a -15 req 9 to strength jewel in it.

For some reason, I can only get it to work with Eth Oath Balrog Blade as far as decent alternative weapons that aren't phaseblades.

I tried Edeath CB and CS and neither of them seemed to work, at least not in singleplayer. Normal attack would clearly use Edeath, feral rage would just swing at 3 frames and do zero damage (use neither weapon) so that's weird. I'm not sure if it's because there's such a huge IAS difference or what. I ended up throwing a Hel Rune in my Wolfhowl.

Eth oath balrog blade would be a pretty solid budget weapon for early ladder, but I'd probably just grind some more with the sorc until I can get Grief, the damage is just so much better.


Hey man, are u good at any dmg calculate stuffs? could u help me see if i made any mistake in Supplement 5.
And different environment test result is different, I mean when I tested on Single player with Eth Death CB + glitch PB, only 1st hit works, but
when I tested it on Bnet, it works good, idk
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