yy, ZB Arreat in ffa is powerful as well.

imo good stuff to start AoW.
after that you can still gear up

I saw many people buying the best stuff for the start, and then sell it all very fast again

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 17 2014 12:18pm

Yes i saw many guys bought perf baba packs and after 1month or so they re-sold again full pack .)

This post was edited by Hamm on Aug 17 2014 12:46pm

Y everybody says the same things, but i'm talking about calcs and, as i said, with arreat you lose ar/life/dmg and the def doesnt rise enough to compensate for that. Make the whole calc and youll see, i made an Excel table to optimize my barb ^^

Botd is good indeed. Its pretty much on par with a clean eth-selfrep-40ias-300ed-fools ba (loses only if there are adds). So yes, eth non rep fools ba that costs 2k +fg are an utterly ridicolous choice

well i'm not agree, arreat is really low ar.
i will prefer using a 1os 5bo visio for sure.
btw if someone interested i got a arreat zb 192ed socket 29/59/9/9 for trade vs 20k fgs^^

You didnt get the thing that you dont loose Dmg/Life so much because Enigma+Arreat = finally good dmg and life.
Attack rating lower with eni arreat yes, like was said it can be 20-22k but is ok there are guys who know to duel with this build well.

This post was edited by Hamm on Aug 17 2014 12:57pm

You didn't get that i made the calc with every parameter that regards the final output, and arreats loses to everything.

Eni can work well due to 45frw, that is an "hidden" variabile that cant be shown in a calc.
Arreats has no "hidden" variables and i tell you that its outmatched easily.

Make that calc as i did and you will see, its useless to argue trying to compare them without numbers.

E: i'm not home now or i would tell you the final dmg values of arreat vs 5bo visio vs diadem.
In general: 5bo visio with life-2sox > visio diadem 7x stats >> non eth arreats > eth arreats

This post was edited by UberMensh on Aug 17 2014 01:19pm

Calcs are good and I won't argue about them, but you guys forget:

This game is bugged as hell , for example: you barely hit a low def setup with 30k+ ar ^^


one one hand you can build your barb by Calcs,
on the other hand you can build a Barb by testing different items^^

this is what Fergard & I did alot, but we did both tho

and I can cleary say, there is no "best setup", there are ofc Setups that will win more in AVERAGE,
but for single duels your calcs are nearly worthless as the game mechanics send them to hell alot
for sure Visio > Arreat, and for sure Rare SA > Eni, but only in average ^^

I can tell you exactly which build will win in average if the players got similar skills

You can remake "weapons" base infos.

Champion sword is not bvb weapon, because Range 1 less of other mentioned weapons (baxe,cb,cs,bb)
also very low damage base.

Legend sword very low damage base weapon really :/

really used Bvb weapons are only:
Baxe
Cb
Cs
BB
HB (good damage on MLD only)