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Jul 3 2013 09:03pm
Quote (Conrick @ Jul 3 2013 05:33pm)
said the guy who lost a ft5 as max block nec vs bow  :rofl:


omg stop bringing that up
He clearly stated that he doesnt play necro, so ofc he would lose on a char he doesnt use vs a good char
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Jul 3 2013 09:32pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jul 3 2013 12:00pm)
LOL

People who are bad at dueling like this guy, need higher fcr to chase chars around the map.

However, if you have a brain and CAN cut people off and then maintain a lock, there is really nn for such things.


Once again to be clear,
His whole logic is based upon chasing.

Reality: Don't chase, cut off, read patterns, end of story, ty.


The only thing that should be stopping anyone from playing 63 over 37 is ping. You hardly sacrifice anything to get such a huge benefit.

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Quote (DHA @ Jul 3 2013 04:05pm)
:-)))
I put you out of my nk list :(
Ye only reason to use 37 fcr is if you lag with 63.


Too late.

This post was edited by young2093 on Jul 3 2013 09:33pm
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Jul 3 2013 10:04pm
Quote (young2093 @ Jul 3 2013 11:32pm)
The only thing that should be stopping anyone from playing 63 over 37 is ping. You hardly sacrifice anything to get such a huge benefit.

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Too late.


A one-frame improvement in teleports is hardly a "huge" improvement, but in very high-level dueling it can give a very slight edge.

At any normal dueling skill level (such as what I assume your skill level is), 37fcr is more than reasonable. 63fcr only creates an advantage if your skill level is able to exploit its benefits.
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Jul 4 2013 04:03am
Quote (Tysnatch @ Jul 4 2013 12:23am)
I'm trying to get people's opinions on which they prefer.


you nn opinions
you need facts
you ignore the facts about action frames

37fcr>39fcr<63fcr
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Jul 4 2013 04:06am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Jul 4 2013 06:03am)
you nn opinions
you need facts
you ignore the facts about action frames

37fcr>39fcr<63fcr


Always willing to learn from you, tommyvv :)

How does 39fcr differ from the 37fcr breakpoint?
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Jul 4 2013 04:15am
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 4 2013 10:06am)
Always willing to learn from you, tommyvv :)

How does 39fcr differ from the 37fcr breakpoint?


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tele stump time (time between tele and stump)= fcr total frame-fcr action frame+ww action frame

37fcr is 1 frame faster tele stump time then 39fcr

the time between you tele ontop of target and you hit target for 37fcr and 63fcr and 105fcr are the same


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http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=52434886
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Jul 4 2013 04:26am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Jul 4 2013 06:15am)
post 5 page 1!


I see, so if Goomshill is correct are you saying that the longer action frame allows a larger window for cancelling the animation?
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Jul 4 2013 04:48am
how about you test both of them and use the on that feels better instead of causing all this hate here
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Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 4 2013 10:26am)
I see, so if Goomshill is correct are you saying that the longer action frame allows a larger window for cancelling the animation?


the longer the action frame, the shorter the ''afterframe''
the shorter the reaction time of the opponent (time between he see baba tele ontop of him and the first ww-hit)

you click tele
action frame timer start
you tele
''afterframe'' starts before next cast/attack can be made
you can click ww when tele action frames start

37fcr = 2''after frames'' tele + 4action frames ww = 6frames
39fcr = 3''after frames'' tele + 4action frames ww = 7frames

you nn to be fast ontop of target
you need to hit target fast when ontop of him
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Jul 4 2013 05:34am
i fuckin love this section;DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

there are some self called pros who build their chars and play them in only one particular way and negates everything else...
then theorycrafters come .. some more, some less clueless... and we have a war;)

I personally stick with 0 fcr (yeah lol) cuz my ping is so high that I even have problems to do 1 telestomp with namelock
cuz I have so big delay that an opponent gets out of lock before my barb actually perform a teleport;)

Altho on good connections I usually stick with 37fcr vs all and 63 vs particular fast'n badass motherfuckers (mainly vs necs)

In conclusion - since getting 63 fcr doesnt hurt that much for a barb it's good to have extra fcr setup in stash but most of the people
should feel comfortable with 37
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