Quote (KFClol @ Mar 27 2012 05:21pm)

He meant flexibility which is correct, it's just the rest of what he said gave me a head full of fuck

Quote (Tails chao @ 27 Mar 2012 11:07)

But I already donated 80k this week.

Quote (monSt4r @ 27 Mar 2012 01:58)

I can't get visionary. Can you explain to me with a little math why is helm + fcr ring is better then Angelic full + Griffon.
I though most of the damage bonus came from Highlords, and not the helm.

Problem is, why are people refusing max AR ? I saw people pump dex, put expensive rare jewels with stats and AR, spend 2k fg for fcr ring with AR and dex and adds, and all that to have LESS AR then with angelics (a lot less) and the damage that is not so much bigger (especially if you dont wear highlords).
Angelics should give more damage then highlords + rings vs high deff characters. I'm not saying you can't win a paladin with ghost, far from it, I'm just searching for an optimal setup.
And what seems to be the problem with full angelics ? ED in helm ? 
If you are hitting through high deff you need AR. Especially if that high deff faggot sports a max block shield. So all your hits that go through are divided by 4.
So if you have 50% chance to hit with Fools and 33 % with chaos, that's basically 12.5% cth with fools and 8.25% with chaos. (no angelics high end gear)
If you have 66% chance to hit with fools and 50% with chaos, that is 16.5% cth with fools and 12.5% with chaos including block. So including upper setup that has Highlords, that would still be lower then the damage with angelics.
Remember, claw mastery is 23%DS. Plus you can wear gores for added DS OW CB.

Quote (monSt4r @ 27 Mar 2012 15:39)

Malice indeed is a joke, but angelics are not.
"Tons of potential mods" amuse me. Why every time someone doesn't know what to say, they use this broken phraseology. Plus griffon has a socket and a skill.
What are these tons of potential mods. Are you maybe aiming at Visionary (lower AR) ? strength (for what) ? dex (lower AR) ? some life (how much do you really need) ? mana (this is cool) ?

Plus I don't think paladin's deffense is 0 in a charge. Check with eywa on this, can't find his explanations now.

Can you please stop using these lame excuses instead of arguments and stop using caps words after it also. Especially that says just AR... whole of your "tons of mods" count as some ED and AR,and vs high deff players,"even more AR" overrule the ED and lower AR in terms of overall damage.

I have not tried this griffon build, nor I probably will, but I just want a good discussion about this subject.

Quote (young2093 @ Mar 27 2012 09:47pm)

I don't recall ever saying Angelics is a joke. I said Malice and Fury are shit, and that you have much more possible mods to take advantage of instead of JUST boosting AR by using 2x Angelic rings. You already get ENOUGH AR from using 1x Angelic Ring with a handful of other equipment that benefits your AR.

I also never said a Paladin's defense was 0 in a charge, but it does take block out of the equation and gives you free hit checks. WWing on Charge will hurt these Paladins you're having so much trouble with, I pinky promise.
And if you expect me to type every possible modifier that can spawn on rare claws/circlets/rings you're an idiot. There's a difference between not knowing what to say and not wanting to go through the trouble of listing a bunch of modifiers to attempt to convince some rock head that using 2x Angelic rings on a Ghost is extremely unecessary. Read under general magic prefixes/suffixes:

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/

Quote (monSt4r @ Mar 28 2012 07:50am)

Can paladin "walk charge" ? Yes ? Well so much from WWing a charge as being super effective. Plus it's probably not that easy to hit for long. It's not a strategy to which paladin will die emediatelly. I mean I do it and rely on it, but it's not some secret strategy that paladins auto lose to.

@"And if you expect me to type every possible modifier that can spawn on rare claws/circlets/rings you're an idiot. "
Yes, and I didn't ask for claw, I just asked for circlet and ring mods. And the list is not that long. It's mostly what I mentioned already in the previous post. And all that is less optimal then more AR vs paladin.
Again you are implying that I have trouble with paladins. And I don't really, I just find the duel to be very boring and am wondering in what ways can I make it more fun or faster at least.

Quote (Jaxz @ Mar 28 2012 08:50am)

I dun understand why are you advocating ww as a viable technic to deal with hammerdins? I owned a Hammerdin and I dun give even BvC a serious thought let alone a ghost. What really kills a Hammerdin is the 102 mb, no matter how much ar you boost , you wun post a threat to them at all cuz you are playing like a melee, which is to the advantage to them. Hammerdins are made to destroy melee... Do you get it?

Quote (monSt4r @ 28 Mar 2012 10:50)

Hahaha moxer.
Tbh I have enough job to do as it is on a ghost, to use widowmaker extra would be too hard for me. But you could be right.
T/c indeed, I am not sure I will get any interesting info onwards, this 1ring angelic setup is the farthest people have gone in thinking and explaining.