for most uber trist builds last wish is superior. crushing blow>dmg until they get to under 100k hp. They both work, and I've tried both, I used to do uber trist runs for profit. For my build last wish is noticeably faster.
I prefer 100% cb with average damage over 30-40% cb with high damage. Not to mention it takes time to prebuff fade, and with life tap wand you either a) lose bo or b ) have to do awkward inventory swaps which are time consuming and annoying. Although one could argue that a good smiter doesn't need bo at all. But that's a whole other can of worms.

This post was edited by themidlands on Jul 26 2011 02:08am

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=48695603&f=161

deal with it.

Lightman - why don´t u accept that LW is the better choice for UT? YES u are right, Grief CAN deal more damage - and if this happens - u are faster with Grief! Noone will say, that u are completly wrong! Also my calculations show, that Grief is good for UT, but it still has the problem that it doesn´t offer anything for an UT-Smiter. U write it for urself: "all you need for ut is some cb, some dmg and life tap." Thats the one and only truth!
LW offers u Lifetap and Crushing Blow. For the damage all u need is a shield + skills u set in HS+Fanatism. Done.



Well we all know, that u made a calculation for this topic. So many people made this already. All calculations show - Grief Setup works really good. If u really never switch to salvation, Grief setup will be faster then LW-Setup in nearly all UT-Runs. Noone will doubt this. But u also know, that there is one weapon that beats Grief easy - Astreons! Why don´t u use Astreons then? I will kill the bosses faster then Grief or LW?

The dmg+ mod. Makes fast weapons with low base damage great.

Also the ias is very good, and 20 ds% is a good add.



Try to zeal UT minions away with LW, then with Grief, and see what happens.

I'm not saying LW is garbage though, I think its totally viable with Enigma (for organ runs) cause the fade procs easily from it so you don't need res from armour. Well, if you don't do organ runs, then Enigma isn't that important and I'd probably use Grief, but still.



Well, I didn't read the first post, just answered this question. I know ds% doesn't work with smite.

And ds% works with zeal which is nice for cleaning mobs. And of course there's pvp where you charge or whirl with Grief.

Salvation at full smite speed is not stupid lol, its a cheap way of getting more safety at the cost of... one ias jewel? While still maintaining decent smite damage. Who cares if torch run takes 30 seconds or 3 minutes.



That was the point ;-)

Sometimes the path to the two other Ubers is blocked after killing Meppel, so unless you have tele, its a little annoying trying to reach them.

This post was edited by sevlo on Jul 26 2011 04:37am

Sry - no...DS doesn´t work with smite...and u dont need the ias if u use Fanatism. Grief offers only up to 400 Damage...nothing more (the chance to use Salvation with full smite speed is no argument)



Why should i zeal minions away? LW is a crappy Zealer Weap!

This post was edited by macros_1102 on Jul 26 2011 04:32am

i think because zeal hits more / faster, it increases your chance to cast tap?

Why its not an argument?

because everyone here has more than half a brain and knows that ut isn't about survival, it's about finishing it as fast as possible.

only noobs concern themselves with safety. l2p

and there are several reasons why i don't use asteron's:

-it's not so easily found, nor is there a good one traded that often
-it only surpasses grief in case grief's 75% cb setup was at a worst case scenario, and every kid knows that 75% cb means you'll procc more and more often. it's enough that in 1 or the 3 or so 10-hit-sequences, the crushing blow % struck the first 7 hits and not the last, to make grief's killing speed surpass asteron's.

and it's more likely that grief's 3-4 series of 10 smites will produce cb proccs at all lines of the spectrum, not just the last strikes of the sequence.

tl;dr- worst case scenario is an imaginary term used to go against a certain element, and show that even in that highly unlikely situation, it's still better. it's called "bordering improbabilities".

Nice to see that the lastwish supporters still haven't given up.. like sevlo mentioned earlier, last wish might probably be OK for organ runs, combined with enigma, spirit, etc, but for a UT run where teleport isn't necessary, grief beats last wish any day..

as for the guy who was saying it removes the need for 2 prebuffing items, fyi, grief costs 1 hr, treachery costs none, and you can get a lifetap wand for ingame gold.. last wish needs 6 hrs.. now go figure which is more optimal..