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May 15 2011 12:28am
i like this guide. have always used a meteorb sorc for mf and all that. will try it on ubers now. thanks
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Quote (Lightman @ May 2 2011 07:03am)
troll?? lol, all the people who actually count for anything in this forum in the past 5 pages told you it's a crap design or simply lol'd at you. im trying to explain the "why", which you seem too ignorant to accept.

budget wise and endgame gear-wise, tal set wins. for hybrids that is. deal with it.
liking some form of play is fine, but saying that hybrid is better than light when you can afford infy is plain ignorance. you just don't know much about sorcs if you think fb/orb + infy > light + infy. sure there are some who remain who immune in some desolate areas but srsly who gives a flying fuck? those mobs are below half of a percentage.
this build is not the extreme version of tal set. it's how rich people want to incorporate as many useless uniques as possible in a char where a simple set overrides them completely. this is a perfect way to waste fg for nothing.
all the stats are better than on tals? maybe the +% by some way, but that's really nothing. and anyone making a tal set sorc for pvm does it 99% for mf'ing, not spending 200+ fg just to make this joke of a sorc.
first thing you ever said that's true, is that killspeed>mf, but if you're going hybrid and saying that it's better than pure light, you have no idea what true killspeed is like. thebe's sorc setup will rape yours in killspeed, and even my safety setup will rape your build. both the setups are pure light.
i never make comparisons on p1 games. always p8. and tal set is far better. the +life mod from the complete set alone is better than your entire "benefit" in stats that you're so hung over about.

no, sry, your arguments are invalid, and any pvm'er who knows his stuff will laugh in your face when you tell him a hybrid is faster than pure light.
take ayecaramba, thebe and more in this forum as an example.

i didn't start the survivability talk, you did. i was simply pointing out how you're putting it up on a pedestal for some wrong reason. you speak of this build as far safer than tal set when you should have realized by now that safety on a sorc is not even an issue if you have 2 braincells.
i lost you here cause that made no grammatical sense to me:

the only time lightning doesn't deal any dmg is if it hits the 1 dmg min. and that happens... when? 1/20-35k times? give me a break, you consider yourself a math wiz yet you wanna talk about those bullshit odds? LOL
who the hell is dying from dealing that 1 min dmg at an astronomical chance? you're still very much safe by staying away and behind your merc. my god, you become more and more desperate by the post. am i embarrassing you here?
oh dear, you did NOT just try to flame. aahahahahaha, you fail at basics yet you tell me to clear off the math. you're a humiliation to this site. you need your own spot next to silentdecay, noob_nova and bioshocker. you're the reincarnation of yaf, only even less in touch with reality.

cbolts is the fastest boss killer JESUS play the game for once in your life and leave the calculator alone.
fact is something is easier doesn't make it "not-better". lightning is easier and better. again, deal with it.

why would i want to test pvm effectiveness in ubers? ubers is ubers, leave it at that. make more sense, why don't you..
you're having a problem dodging willows on your way to throne? and if you're killing your way to throne, is it a problem for you to deal 1-2 more lightning strikes while your merc finishes them off? let me guess, you use chain lightning against them :rofl:  :rofl:

LOL you're telling me you can't clear that tiny 4x4 room in maggot with your merc?? just QUIT this game.
same for TR tomb. same for frozen river (jesus those are the easiest places for a light sorc i can't believe you posted them all)
travincal can't be easier for a lightning sorc. hint: USE LIGHTNING, you sound like a retard who uses chain lightning 99% of the time, and says that the dmg is minuscule.


feanur, you're just.... XD

e: more of your witless remarks:
*putting none in lightning tree (who needs static? piece of shit pvm skill rite? LOLOLOLOL. even though you said it's optional, it's a MUST. makes your boss killing procedure sped by 200%)
*relying on enigma to tele on sorc. LOOOL
*thinking that FM only increases 7% and has no relationship between hard points and synergies. LOOOL


I for one think that some people need to do some math before they even put in any info. FO is by far one of the strongest attacks in the game. So what if my 85 bliz sorc dose 14k easy without all that great gear. Like many people noticed, it CAN and WILL miss. If you don't think so then your not playing your bliz sorc right. And a fully skilled orb sorc does about 1.2k ish PER ICE BOLT. So add it up. theres how many ice bolts in a FO? So do the math. It does more damage. So what if it takes SKILL to aim it right and get that amazing hit. That just means that people running around using FO and not lightning or fireball has more skill with a sorc and enjoys the game more and in my eyes are overall better players. Now im not saying that lit or fire sorcs are weak. They just don't have the AOE skills of a FO sorc. Hands down. Don't trust me? Do the math and test it before you troll me.
Another thing. For the sorc that is explained in this guild you do NOT need anything in the lightning tree. It's pointless. Why even worry about static? Its pointless when you don't even have the time to use it when your in a full game. And then let me add that anyone that thinks that you need a point in tele for a sorc if you have nigma is an idot. Why waste the point when you can do more damage and enjoy the game more? hmmm? Explain that to me. i have 3 sorcs fire lice and lit. The only one that has tele skill points is my lit sorc since she doesn't use nigma and tele is needed for ES.
And the idot that said "travincal can't be easier for a lightning sorc. hint: USE LIGHTNING, you sound like a retard who uses chain lightning 99% of the time, and says that the dmg is minuscule." YOU can quit the game. Chain lightning does less damage but over all does a little bit more and not to mention ITS FUN TO WATCH so bite me. My lit sorc almost only uses chain lightning since ITS HOW I PLAY and i dare you to try and beat me in a full act1 norm-act5 hell grush. I'm a rusher and i play my chars for rushs. If you have anything to say about how i play the game i put my time into you can just bite me for all i care. It's my account, my chars, my time. And i'm going to do what i want with them, even if i make a hydra pali with that fire shield. (done it, was kinda cool how i killed a know it all 92 barb with it) :)
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Calling a Sorc #1 PvM Sorc and telling people that STATIC, the single best spell in the game, is OPTIONAL???

You must be kidding...

Your killspeed will suck compared to anyone that actually knows how to PvM on a Sorc, no matter how many fancy items and Fire RBFs (ImO only second best choice) you use...
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Aug 6 2011 10:54am
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Quote (aneas @ Aug 6 2011 05:10pm)
Calling a Sorc #1 PvM Sorc and telling people that STATIC, the single best spell in the game, is OPTIONAL???

You must be kidding...

Your killspeed will suck compared to anyone that actually knows how to PvM on a Sorc, no matter how many fancy items and Fire RBFs (ImO only second best choice) you use...


I'm not kidding. I only take advantage from Static in 4-8 people game. It's a waste of time in 1-3 people game, FB+FO killing faster than any Static+second skill.


Quote (reibungslos @ Aug 6 2011 05:54pm)
stopped reading at enigma


Too bad for you :(
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Aug 6 2011 08:47pm
Quote (reibungslos @ Aug 6 2011 01:54pm)
stopped reading at enigma


im not a sorc player, so what would be the best sorc armor anyways?
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Aug 7 2011 03:33am
Quote (aneas @ Aug 6 2011 07:10pm)
Calling a Sorc #1 PvM Sorc and telling people that STATIC, the single best spell in the game, is OPTIONAL???

You must be kidding...

Your killspeed will suck compared to anyone that actually knows how to PvM on a Sorc, no matter how many fancy items and Fire RBFs (ImO only second best choice) you use...


don't bother, this topic is lulz
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Aug 7 2011 03:57am
nice "full" guide ;)
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