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Nov 8 2006 03:12pm
Yeah one of the things about 2x Doom is that the Aura is stacked and pretty far reaching with 2 of them. Cutting them down to one messes with the radius [the damage is not that much of an issue], and it makes it more difficult to aura kill someone.

Also, WWing with 2x Doom isn't effective enough alone. In order to kill someone, you'd have to equip Grief + Doom [unless the thing you're hitting is a glass cannon and/or garbage. WWing with CTA is even weaker, which sort of makes the IAS a moot point.

But yeah, I'm so awesome that I can use a Doom Zerker AND a rare Zerk with +2 warcies and lifetap charges.

Me > everyone else SOLEY for that fact.

This post was edited by De4dEyE on Nov 8 2006 03:12pm
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Nov 8 2006 03:19pm
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But yeah, I'm so awesome that I can use a Doom Zerker AND a rare Zerk with +2 warcies and lifetap charges.

Me > everyone else SOLEY for that fact.


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Nov 8 2006 03:52pm
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Are you east? If so give me a day to gear my necro and Ill prove you wrong?

Some barbs can beat my necro but not very many.


care? talk all you want but fact is that you dont even know how the hell def/block/ar/dr works. it's painfully obvious that you never dueled a barb that doesn't make retarded half-screen whirls.


Demented are you? Thats a sick picture. You have serious issues lol.

Anyways. Your right, I didnt claim to know anything about def/ar/block ect...

What I said, and I will say it again. I own more barbs, than I lose to!

Nec > Barb. PERIOD!

If you cant beat barbs with your bone mancer then you clearly suck. I admited and I will continue to admit I do have a hard time against GOOD barbs. But thats true vs ANY one who is GOOOOD in most cases.

How can a barb be superior to a nec?!??

Spam BS from a corner lol

Or if you really wanna be mean, set bone walls all around yourself in a corner,and spam the crap out of bs. Lets see a barb beat you?

Put bone walls all around you in the center even, and just spam at them. Fact of the matter is their ww is going to hit the bones most of the time. They wont kill you.

I'll duel any barb on sc east with my necro in front of you to prove that?!

Actions speak louder than.. letters. eh?
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Nov 8 2006 04:13pm
Cool guide, but... just one thing I have to point out, tongue.gif: You misused the word "henceforth" at the start of the guide (or maybe you didn't, X_X; now I'm not sure, lmao).

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Nov 8 2006 04:17pm
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Nov 8 2006 05:12pm
Quote (forbattlenet @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 09:52pm)
Quote (GIFF @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 12:17pm)
Quote (forbattlenet @ Tue, Nov 7 2006, 08:43pm)
Are you east? If so give me a day to gear my necro and Ill prove you wrong?

Some barbs can beat my necro but not very many.


care? talk all you want but fact is that you dont even know how the hell def/block/ar/dr works. it's painfully obvious that you never dueled a barb that doesn't make retarded half-screen whirls.


Demented are you? Thats a sick picture. You have serious issues lol.

Anyways. Your right, I didnt claim to know anything about def/ar/block ect...

What I said, and I will say it again. I own more barbs, than I lose to!

Nec > Barb. PERIOD!

If you cant beat barbs with your bone mancer then you clearly suck. I admited and I will continue to admit I do have a hard time against GOOD barbs. But thats true vs ANY one who is GOOOOD in most cases.

How can a barb be superior to a nec?!??

Spam BS from a corner lol

Or if you really wanna be mean, set bone walls all around yourself in a corner,and spam the crap out of bs. Lets see a barb beat you?

Put bone walls all around you in the center even, and just spam at them. Fact of the matter is their ww is going to hit the bones most of the time. They wont kill you.

I'll duel any barb on sc east with my necro in front of you to prove that?!

Actions speak louder than.. letters. eh?


Name one good barb you've dueled and beaten outside of a pub game on east ladder (they're few and far between but they exist). Point is, I highly doubt you've dueled beyond public trash. Similarly, what's your nec's name?
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Nov 8 2006 06:24pm
Yeah, a Nec is not > a Barb. Period. If you decided to be a douche and wall up, I'd just run around with a widowmaker and take pot shots at you [you'll run out of mana a long time before I will, if you keep spamming at me while I'm shooting you with a bow, or making new bonewalls] and just kill you like that. If you sit in a corner, and you're not max block, you're going to eat multiple short WWs and die.

Like Camden said, it was most likely pub barbs you kill.
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Nov 8 2006 06:42pm
Quote (forbattlenet @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 09:52pm)
Quote (GIFF @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 12:17pm)
Quote (forbattlenet @ Tue, Nov 7 2006, 08:43pm)
Are you east? If so give me a day to gear my necro and Ill prove you wrong?

Some barbs can beat my necro but not very many.


care? talk all you want but fact is that you dont even know how the hell def/block/ar/dr works. it's painfully obvious that you never dueled a barb that doesn't make retarded half-screen whirls.


Demented are you? Thats a sick picture. You have serious issues lol.

Anyways. Your right, I didnt claim to know anything about def/ar/block ect...

What I said, and I will say it again. I own more barbs, than I lose to!

Nec > Barb. PERIOD!

If you cant beat barbs with your bone mancer then you clearly suck. I admited and I will continue to admit I do have a hard time against GOOD barbs. But thats true vs ANY one who is GOOOOD in most cases.

How can a barb be superior to a nec?!??

Spam BS from a corner lol

Or if you really wanna be mean, set bone walls all around yourself in a corner,and spam the crap out of bs. Lets see a barb beat you?

Put bone walls all around you in the center even, and just spam at them. Fact of the matter is their ww is going to hit the bones most of the time. They wont kill you.

I'll duel any barb on sc east with my necro in front of you to prove that?!

Actions speak louder than.. letters. eh?


nice tears. care? not really random. remember that you, not me, were fucking stupid enough to claim tanking barbs. guess that says it all about the randoms you duel random.
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Nov 8 2006 06:49pm
Quote (GIFF @ Thu, Nov 9 2006, 12:42am)
Quote (forbattlenet @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 09:52pm)
Quote (GIFF @ Wed, Nov 8 2006, 12:17pm)
Quote (forbattlenet @ Tue, Nov 7 2006, 08:43pm)
Are you east? If so give me a day to gear my necro and Ill prove you wrong?

Some barbs can beat my necro but not very many.


care? talk all you want but fact is that you dont even know how the hell def/block/ar/dr works. it's painfully obvious that you never dueled a barb that doesn't make retarded half-screen whirls.


Demented are you? Thats a sick picture. You have serious issues lol.

Anyways. Your right, I didnt claim to know anything about def/ar/block ect...

What I said, and I will say it again. I own more barbs, than I lose to!

Nec > Barb. PERIOD!

If you cant beat barbs with your bone mancer then you clearly suck. I admited and I will continue to admit I do have a hard time against GOOD barbs. But thats true vs ANY one who is GOOOOD in most cases.

How can a barb be superior to a nec?!??

Spam BS from a corner lol

Or if you really wanna be mean, set bone walls all around yourself in a corner,and spam the crap out of bs. Lets see a barb beat you?

Put bone walls all around you in the center even, and just spam at them. Fact of the matter is their ww is going to hit the bones most of the time. They wont kill you.

I'll duel any barb on sc east with my necro in front of you to prove that?!

Actions speak louder than.. letters. eh?


nice tears. care? not really random. remember that you, not me, were fucking stupid enough to claim tanking barbs. guess that says it all about the randoms you duel random.


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Nov 8 2006 10:30pm
Funny I forgot to mention, with 47 dex base I can reach 68-69% block with an Eld SS and an EBotDZ. Mike apparently can reach max block with his 57 base + EBotDZ + Eld SS + Sdancers. Haha. It would be an easy mule swap for an idiot bvc that wants to 1v1 you.
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Nov 9 2006 08:46pm
why do ppl always tend to forget about crafted items?? they can be sooo godly...
7%+ Fc Belt with 1x Str / 4x Life / 10%+fhr / Resists isnt even hard to come by.
so the setup i suggest to achieve the 37%bp and be flexible for pubs would be:

nice 10%fc Ring / fc Belt / Trangs / xx Ring
here xx is your adjustment choice to the (sorb) situation -> Dwarf, whisp, raven
usually sticking with the raven should work vs most builds.

maybe its just the fact that i like to have at least one out of the ordinary item.
or my faible for crafted things. But i kinda like the idea, cuz imo life, str and resists are more beneficial than a skill and extra mana from spider!
yet, my BvC is not fully equipped and i havent tested it out i have to admit.
worth a thought?
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