I wouldn't recommend using a vis with a fools weapon on a Concer, unless the vis is UNREAL. Arreats is hard to beat and like biglouy said, without ebotdz you're at a loss for stats.

Well, It's fun making NON cookie cutter conc just using ebotdz.. It's fun using rares weps or better yet rare helms on concer. It's not for tourneys it's just for fun. I still win a lot of matchs well a lot though. It's quite fun and unique build though. Gets boring using cookie cutter build though.



not really if u check ur post u said 30k is fine o_O

With arreats I got low ar but I gain higher dmg but with bo/vis helm i gain like 1,000+ life o_O

This post was edited by LilNeko on Aug 24 2010 11:27am

yeah 30k is fine Im surprised you don't have more though with the fools + vis combo, wow thats with enough str for SA too?

This post was edited by Biglouy on Aug 24 2010 11:28am

I can take s/s of it but meh@ i'm only 93 so I think i be way over kill when I hit 96

Yeah..It's sa build also I like sa then ap lol.

This post was edited by LilNeko on Aug 24 2010 11:29am

Ah okay :P, that sounds like a nice build then I'll lyk when my ladder concer is up

I'm working mine atm lol. It's pretty nice build though. You need like 96+ just to make it work cuz at 93 ur life is sooooo low with fools like 5k-4.8 life. mine is 4.8 but once hit 96 it should be wayyyy a lot more if i like it mores ill get it 97 ;D but depends on ur invo lol. my life little low cuz im using max/ar/life gcs and max/ar/life scs o_O

This post was edited by LilNeko on Aug 24 2010 11:34am

Ah ok that makes sense I've got a 95 barb lined up, as well as my fools sword that I posted earlier... I just need to muster up some more fg for the invo, and the rest should be pretty cheap

I still think that you can add a lot of non cookie cutter items to a build other than a visionary. As far as rare items go, I'd much rather use an eth-repair armor opposed to a runeword/unique armor. There are a lot of rare armors that I've seen that I'd choose over runewords/uniques any day because it is actually better than the runewords/uniques. There are very few visionaries out there that I could justify using over arreats, even with a "non cookie cutter mindset". The only way you could have the edge over an arreat is with 2 sockets and good +skills/defense/possibly even some life.

I used to have some sick visionaries myself and I've personally tested a lot of different builds incorporating rare items..but I've seen very few instances where arreats doesn't shadow over everything else.



Eh you may have some difficulty beating melees with a 2handed weapon =/.

This post was edited by OSUpride1 on Aug 24 2010 01:24pm

IK set is bm too?

You don't really need 2 sock skills/def/life vis. It's all depends what weapon are you using. Like on legend sword. You can just use 1o's and you be great. I've got bunch of eth-repair armors and bunch of rares on barb. I like being differnt because you got unfair avg vs others. Which I want. I like challenging with melee chars and something different unlike some other people.

I've only have little problem but I've already fixed problem. I just need lvls lmao