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#51
Sep 3 2009 04:35pm
Quote (KillersDream @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 06:14pm)
Thanks for doing this test. Could you go into more details on the specifics? The remaining skill distribution was the same? Was the map the same (and the # of surrounding monsters)? Were you teleporting in place to keep the master from doing melee? Did you use a new shadow master for each trial?

I got the impression that the most common theory was that chance to cast was based on the ranking of skills, from skills with most points to skill of least points, and only the rank mattered, not the actual skill level. This is why some people would stat 2 points into mindblast instead of 1. That theory seems to be false. It appears that there are either breakpoints (which would be very useful to know), or the AIbonus is multiplied by your base skill level, or the shadows skill level.

edit: one thing that I think may play a factor is the # of hard points that are spent into dragon flight, as that is one of mindblast's main competitors for ranged attacking.


I'd be more interesting in finding out if hard points and +skills give similar results to find out whether it is worth getting +mindblast on claws or if only hard points make a difference.
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#52
Sep 3 2009 04:37pm
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I'd be more interesting in finding out if hard points and +skills give similar results to find out whether it is worth getting +mindblast on claws or if only hard points make a difference.


only hard points will

testing it on open b.net with a claw with +xx mindblast won't increase sm's mb spam at all
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#53
Sep 3 2009 04:39pm
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Block: 102 trapper with maxed MB and nice FB output
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#54
Sep 3 2009 04:40pm
Acutally I just dueled a very good nec. Since I never have, I've always thought that a sin had the advantage, but now I think they are pretty equal and it all depends on who's playing them.

If the nec knows how to ibs, bone prison + spirit you with good enough res, you will have a hell of a time trying to kill him.


I'd say a pure LS trapper easily, so you don't have to worry about ww'ing and the nec having max block (which most of the good ones do).
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#55
Sep 3 2009 04:45pm
Quote (the_nub @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 04:35pm)
I'd be more interesting in finding out if hard points and +skills give similar results to find out whether it is worth getting +mindblast on claws or if only hard points make a difference.

From what I've seen, hard points are what matters.

Btw, it seem to see that mindblast is cast at a greater frequency if you have no hard points into dragon flight. I've never put a hard point into dragon flight on my sins, so perhaps this is why I had not noticed as big of a difference between 1 and 20 mb.

This post was edited by KillersDream on Sep 3 2009 04:45pm
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Sep 3 2009 04:46pm
the thing is, the better you are at playing sin, the more the nec will defwhore

lately i noticed necs are just 24/7 offscreen spamming ibs, teleporting xx screens away when i appear on minimap

my advice: get atleast a sin with maxed mb, towards massive defwhoring necs i'd pick ow% kicks to drain some of their life incase they like to stay off-map all the time

ghost is probably best vs any nec
vs mb necs i'd pick a ghost with pumped dclaw over any other type of assa
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#57
Sep 3 2009 04:48pm
Quote (young2093 @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 05:39pm)
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Block: 102 trapper with maxed MB and nice FB output


Exactly what I was thinking, but getting 102 fcr with a c/c trapper on closed ladder is basically impossible without removing enigma (which is a bad idea for obvious reasons). Also what do you mean by nice fb output? In my standard setup I would do 1.8k fb with one point, is that good enough?
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Sep 3 2009 04:50pm
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Exactly what I was thinking, but getting 102 fcr with a c/c trapper on closed ladder is basically impossible without removing enigma (which is a bad idea for obvious reasons). Also what do you mean by nice fb output? In my standard setup I would do 1.8k fb with one point, is that good enough?


102 fcr on a c/c trapper is a must vs necs or you'll simply be too slow

with nice fb output he means to spend some points into fb
you will get lower ls dmg, but higher fb dmg which works excellent vs necs
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#59
Sep 3 2009 04:51pm
Quote (JRC @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 04:48pm)
Exactly what I was thinking, but getting 102 fcr with a c/c trapper on closed ladder is basically impossible without removing enigma (which is a bad idea for obvious reasons). Also what do you mean by nice fb output? In my standard setup I would do 1.8k fb with one point, is that good enough?


Use griffons
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#60
Sep 3 2009 05:12pm
Quote (KillersDream @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 05:51pm)
Use griffons


forgot about that.
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