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That's incredibly amusing. I'm "dead set" on being right? More like you can't fathom conceeding a point. You spent two pages arguing with the guy over semantics - one of the major points you raised against his build was that it failed in the face of BM sorb/maxres, when he responded "No shit, it's a GM build as stated earlier, it fails versus BM maxres/sorb like every other ele build" you began a long, drawn out argument about how "hotspurs can't be BM, because BM implies bad mannered, and an item can't be bad mannered."
Yes, "BM sorb", whatever you mean by that, weakens the build. But if you didn't notice, I posted legit ranges of damage for his character, which were a whole lot below the range he had claimed them to be. So either he plays on a different build, as in D2PK, or he's a really bad liar.
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The guy wasn't very good at arguing so I gave the obvious response to you via PM - when one says an item is "BM" the implied meaning is that the usage of said item is BM. Hotspurs are virtually universally considered BM sans on Necros/Bowas in a few rulesets - and I'd say those rulesets are outdated, considering the wave of vita zons with high resists/life and Javs/SS on switch built recently. You imply that there was some sort of dialogue between us when you say that I "couldn't be convinced," - you didn't even make an attempt because you knew I was right, and apparently couldn't admit you were wrong. I recall being relatively cheery in the message as well, even agreeing with you that the build was still heavily flawed, and I later sent you a PM with a link to a trade topic of a guy who was selling a well-built fissure druid. Still no response
Hotspurs being BM is nothing but a stupid assumption. Hell, on my BvC, I have to use freaking Nokozan's because otherwise my Fire Resistances are around 76 with Anyas. And that's with freaking Hotspurs. And yes, I would still say that Nokozan is better at neutralizing damage than Hotspur, mainly because rare boots can have more resistance than rare amulet. It just happens to be that people are too stupid to figure out a way around the loss of 0-20% FCR and whatever +stats, which would be a requirement to using Nokozan. Instead, they can just slap on Hotspur. Looks easier to me.
Actually, Hotspurs being BM or not does not matter to me exactly because Nokozan achieves the same purpose. There is bound to be a time when someone has gone through the trouble of actually being GM and then they will surely have found a way to have 80 or 85% fire resistances.
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So if you can't be bothered with it, why complain when someone does it for you? You said the guide was pointless - if someone was unaware of the information presented it either saves them time, or shows them how to develop their own ideas and calculations regarding game mathematics. You whined a lot about the examples he gave - they're not aimed at you or I. I note you conveniently avoided my comparison in your response - again, it's possible for an individual who could figure out the content of the guide without it to still save a significant amount of time and learn more effectively by using a guide. Some may not benefit from it, some may just skim it lazily, but the people who the guide is aimed at and who use it as intended can learn significantly from it.
Oh, sorry, I never noticed a label that said "If you're stupid, don't read this". You see, the stupid people WILL read it and WILL ask stupid questions because they don't understand it. And again, the people who do should be satisfied with the fact that there has to be a solution. That is, unless they happen come across a situation where they have to optimize their character. And besides, the losses are minimal. Which, again, is something I would like to see in math just because I know that's the way it is.
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Your criticism is simply insulting however, you offer no suggestions for improvement. Not only was your advice near-scathing from the first post, it was awful and contradictory. You told him the examples he presented were "a stupid waste of time," or something to that effect, while they indeed serve the important purpose of introducing those thus unfamiliar with the concepts behind developing game formulae. You then later went on to say he needs to offer proof of the calculations. You need pretty pictures instead of text or something?
I guess you didn't even read my posts. I only said that his posts were a waste of time BECAUSE some stupid moron claimed that the EXAMPLE WAS THE PROOF that the math works. But no, it only showed that the math looks flawless and there is always the possibility that he did the math backwards just to avoid giving a real example, which might end up in a situation where he has to actually think.
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I want you to stop right now and ask yourself - "Why am I posting in this thread, and are my posts relevant?"
Ah, wonderful. Well, I would say that my posts are rather relevant, since so far I am the only one who has said anything about the usage of the math. All the others are just thanking of saying that it's useful. Well, damn, that's kinda obvious. I mean, who the hell makes a formula that does not have a freaking purpose? Oh yeah, the kind of stupid person who wouldn't understand crap about math to begin with. Just because I think that a formula needs mathematical attention, just as a freaking wound needs medical attention instead of something stupid, makes my posts more relevant than all the others in the topic.
Actually, I am glad there is someone else doing some math related to the game. That means that everytime someone comes up with a stupid idea, I won't need to tell them it's stupid, he can do it in a subtle way since he is so much more humane and whatnot.
Oh, and before I forget it, I respect the guy for actually doing the math. Most certainly more than if he just said that "Hey, there is a solution!" So basically I'm here saying that I respect him more than I expect others to respect me, right? Damn, that's kinda tough.
Ok, if you want me to be really, really nice, I'll say it for you. The thing is useful. However, I will only say that it's useful because now the size class of the solution is present. And because it reminded me that I could actually do some gaming math if I can find the free time and effort to write a paper.
And hell no, since I am a human, you won't get any apologies, ever. After all, admitting that I am wrong would be absurd.
This post was edited by olba on Oct 3 2008 11:46am