Spirit of barbs + grizzly will do some mediocre damage with 1 point in it;
a 6000 hp bear, with 550% thorns from SOB, gets 2750 hp removed, I think, against a 50% DR bvc, before it dies. Now this can honestly be quite great, its more damage than your bear itself deals.

The problems were numerous though:
1) Lifesteal- each point of lifesteal negates 6-12% of your thorns, depending on %DR
2) Tactics- you can't tank a bvc even with grizzly thorns. You'll die before he does


But looking at it, I think that in a sort of "avoidance factor" it might be worth it, as it might convince bvc's not to telestomp you, which could easily be a great psychological boon, since it would free you up more on the offensive. If bvc's started trying to telezerk you instead of ww, you'd win all the time. So I'm thinking spirit of barbs might be worth that single point into it. I mean it can't hurt to have it around at the very least, for things like sorbing chargers/bvcs/ss druids.

Once you get good at it, there aren't very many problematic matchups, which is the reason the build is great in the first place.
The fact of the matter is, if you held every other build to the same standards you hold a shaman, nothing but BvC's and Hybridsins would be allowed O_o

Because a shaman can certainly do as well as a bone necro, overall, at the very least.

yes that is the reason why i was thinking about spirit of barbs, simply becuz barbs tend to stick on abs after their first taste of fire up their arse ^^

yeah, my objection being that a shaman would die before the barb, if you tried relying on the thorns, but as a means of demotivating him from stomping you, it sounds effective
also, thats based on my crap ass shaman with 8% dr and 2200 hp, not on a good 3700+ hp one.

iso answer

theres no such pvp rules O_o
better to wear absorb, but its a moot point

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controversy...

im just going to make one now and if its not up to standard i will tell everyone here what a piece of shit you are.

On the other hand if it is fun and viable i will boo all nay-sayers

In other words ill write a short report.

anyone know of any other fire druid guides? [Links]

kool guide i may test this char some time

This is on my to-do list. Trangs melee nec, poison barb, then maybe this xD
e: woo! 500th poster!

This post was edited by CompanyOfThree on Aug 19 2009 04:25pm