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Jul 21 2009 02:34pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:33pm)
and what is this calculation explaining? sorry i was a lil too lazy to read back lol


The difference between putting only 15 points into smite and putting 20 points in, and how the damage isn't worth sacrificing gear/points/etc. etc.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:33pm)
yea but thats 46 damage vs 4000 defense xD


oiC now u edit ofc.



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The difference between putting only 15 points into smite and putting 20 points in, and how the damage isn't worth sacrificing gear/points/etc. etc.


wait so is that calculation maxing smite AND holyshield or just smite and 15 holyshield?
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Jul 21 2009 02:37pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:35pm)
wait so is that calculation maxing smite AND holyshield or just smite and 15 holyshield?


It's calculating the difference between max smite + max holy shield and 15 smite + 20 holyshield.

I could go back and do 15 holy shield + 20 smite if you like...

edit:

Or we could even compare 1 smite / 20 holy shield vs. 20 smite / 1 holy shield :O

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Quote (sylvannos @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 04:37pm)
It's calculating the difference between max smite + max holy shield and 15 smite + 20 holyshield.

I could go back and do 15 holy shield + 20 smite if you like...

edit:

Or we could even compare 1 smite / 20 holy shield vs. 20 smite / 1 holy shield :O


yea can u do that too? i just want to do a quick comparison to see because honestly i dont think 46 damage helps all that much more lol.

(i'll be going home now from work, so i'll sign back on in like 30 mins or so to check the post)

na cuz the ratio between 1 smite/20hshield and 1 holy shield/1smite is a lot different than if u compared 15/20 vs 20/15

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Quote (sylvannos @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 09:30pm)
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=3532193

^ Using this as a calculator and assuming we're using shako, 9x pcombs, nigma, + 2 skill ammy, grief, hoz, dungos, some rings, some boots:

15 points into smite (What bui suggested in his guide):
191 - 194 (base damage on up'd hoz)
153-156 (lvl 44 holy shield)
400 damage from grief
744 - 750 damage

585% ed from smite (lvl 39)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number, it could be +/- a few points)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1379% ed total
=


11,003 - 11,092 (11,047 average) total total smite damage.

Now if we used the same set-up, but max smite:

Base damage remains the same as above

660% ed from smite (lvl 44)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1454% ed total

=


11,561 - 11,655 (11,608 average) total smite damage

= 561 difference

561 / 6 (pvp penalty) = 93 damage
93 / 2 (50% dr on opponent) =46 damage

My argument is still the same.

I used on-screen damage because, well, it's easier than having to go through and calculate it. That number is off by a little bit (I just used an estimate for strength, and the damage is higher with 2x bks, which I didn't include), but the point doesn't change.

I think you're the moron for requiring me to spell it out for you.


doesnt that require 99 lvl ?

and lol 5 more skills into foh give 500 more dmg thats 83 after pvp penalty and 14 after 85% res gg

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Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:38pm)
yea can u do that too? i just want to do a quick comparison to see

because honestly i dont think 46 damage helps all that much more lol.

(i'll be going home now from work, so i'll sign back on in like 30 mins or so to check the post)

na cuz the ratio between 1 smite/20hshield and 1 holy shield/1smite is a lot difference than if u compared 15/20 vs 20/15


191 - 194 (base damage on up'd hoz)
133-136 (lvl 39 holy shield)
400 damage from grief
724 - 730 damage

660% ed from smite (lvl 44)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number, it could be +/- a few points)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1454% ed total

=

11,250 - 11,344 smite damage (11,297 average)

vs. max smite / max holy shield:

11,561 - 11,655 (11,608 average) total smite damage

vs. 15 smite / 20 holy shield:

11,003 - 11,092 (11,047 average) total total smite damage.

max smite / max shield minus 20 smite / 15 shield =

311 damage

Goes to 51 damage from pvp penalty...

25 damage if opponent has 50% dr.

Quote (Flipme @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:44pm)
doesnt that require 99 lvl ?

and lol 5 more skills into foh give 500 more dmg thats 83 after pvp penalty and 13 after 85% res gg


The number of skill points was based upon whatever bui's level is in the screen shots on the first page.

And yes, you're right about 5 more points in foh, but that's not what we were comparing earlier.

We're wondering whether it's better to have more holy shield (extra block and defense) or more smite (more damage).

Stop skimming my posts then flaming me lol.

edit 2:

And this was because you called me a moron for comparing on-screen smite to the actual damage. The fact is that the difference that exists is still the same.

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Quote (sylvannos @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 09:45pm)
191 - 194 (base damage on up'd hoz)
133-136 (lvl 39 holy shield)
400 damage from grief
724 - 730 damage

660% ed from smite (lvl 44)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number, it could be +/- a few points)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1454% ed total

=

11,250 - 11,344 smite damage (11,297 average)

vs. max smite / max holy shield:

11,561 - 11,655 (11,608 average) total smite damage

vs. 15 smite / 20 holy shield:

11,003 - 11,092 (11,047 average) total total smite damage.

max smite / max shield minus 20 smite / 15 shield =

311 damage

Goes to 51 damage from pvp penalty...

25 damage if opponent has 50% dr.



The number of skill points was based upon whatever bui's level is in the screen shots on the first page.

And yes, you're right about 5 more points in foh, but that's not what we were comparing earlier.

We're wondering whether it's better to have more holy shield (extra block and defense) or more smite (more damage).

Stop skimming my posts then flaming me lol.

edit 2:

And this was because you called me a moron for comparing on-screen smite to the actual damage. The fact is that the difference that exists is still the same.


y u almost made it my preffered full smite/hs/fana build so what do u want me to say lmao
u wouldnt stat so high smite without 99lvl so the difference will be higher for standard 9x lvl player

ps. anyway lol i would preffer 20smite over 19smite/ 1more into foh , like i said foh is easily absorbed and isnt a factor in most of the duels

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Quote (Flipme @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 01:55pm)
y u almost made it my preffered full smite/hs/fana build so what will u want me to say  lmao
u wouldnt stat so high smite without 99lvl so the difference will be higher for standard  9x lvl player


Maybe like 100 damage, tops.

This is also using 9x pcombs btw, something a pure smiter wouldn't use.

Read this:

Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 06:05am)
exactly... its not really something you notice in actual dueling other than in smite v smite. smiting someone with 3.2k smite (like my guy) vs smiting someone with 3.3k smite (a vt) would have pretty much the same effect....

while if someone used a wisp or something to counter my more stronger foh they would screw themself over by losing the mods of the other ring - it sort of forces them to. lets say you are in vt vs vt dueling and they use a wisp to counter my foh, they already lost all the mods of the other bk they could have had. likewise, if they wisp vs a vt. the vt's damage goes to shit. at least with my build, i'll still have some damage.



...in which bui explains why he goes with stronger foh (forces someone to use sorb / max light res / etc. and lose a valuable piece of gear).

And this:

Quote (sylvannos @ Mon, Jul 20 2009, 11:48pm)
Read the guide, haven't followed the thread.

What I will say is that after pvp penalties and damage reduction, the difference between 2.9k smite and 3k or more is negligible.

With 3.5k smite (which is a hefty number I'm just pulling on to draw an extreme), the difference between that and 2.9k is about 50 damage with pvp penalties and damage reduction.

That's not worth it, in my opinion, if you're sacrificing life, stacked res, etc. etc.


...in which I explained that the difference from on-screen damage is about 50, that oddly matches smite's real damage not shown.

And this:

Quote (Paparick @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 08:26am)
For a guy who has just joined on 20 July, you are taking a big risk by flaming and spamming so early in your career.


Because I don't think I've presented a false argument, but your rebuttal seems to be "y u suck lawl get good gg afk."
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Quote (sylvannos @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 09:59pm)
Maybe like 100 damage, tops.

This is also using 9x pcombs btw, something a pure smiter wouldn't use.

Read this:




...in which bui explains why he goes with stronger foh (forces someone to use sorb / max light res / etc. and lose a valuable piece of gear).

And this:



...in which I explained that the difference from on-screen damage is about 50, that oddly matches smite's real damage not shown.

And this:



Because I don't think I've presented a false argument, but your rebuttal seems to be "y u suck lawl get good gg afk."


i somehow understood u were compering 2.9k dmg (on screen) 12 smite base lvl build to a 3.5k 20 smite lvl build
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Jul 21 2009 03:09pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Tue, Jul 21 2009, 04:45pm)
191 - 194 (base damage on up'd hoz)
133-136 (lvl 39 holy shield)
400 damage from grief
724 - 730 damage

660% ed from smite (lvl 44)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number, it could be +/- a few points)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1454% ed total

=

11,250 - 11,344 smite damage (11,297 average)

vs. max smite / max holy shield:

11,561 - 11,655 (11,608 average) total smite damage

vs. 15 smite / 20 holy shield:

11,003 - 11,092 (11,047 average) total total smite damage.

max smite / max shield minus 20 smite / 15 shield =

311 damage

Goes to 51 damage from pvp penalty...

25 damage if opponent has 50% dr.



The number of skill points was based upon whatever bui's level is in the screen shots on the first page.

And yes, you're right about 5 more points in foh, but that's not what we were comparing earlier.

We're wondering whether it's better to have more holy shield (extra block and defense) or more smite (more damage).

Stop skimming my posts then flaming me lol.

edit 2:

And this was because you called me a moron for comparing on-screen smite to the actual damage. The fact is that the difference that exists is still the same.

your calculation is wrong btw
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