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Sep 23 2008 04:50am
Valkyrie is more useful on PvM - where Monsters are clueless and attack the Valkyrie cuz she has gone on front line , Tanking for the Amazon !
In PvP - it is a Good Living Shield and I don't see her Poking any other Opponents but low Defended/Low Blocked/None-Dodging !
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Quote (Smart_Player @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 12:50am)
Valkyrie is more useful on PvM - where Monsters are clueless and attack the Valkyrie cuz she has gone on front line , Tanking for the Amazon !
In PvP - it is a Good Living Shield and I don't see her Poking any other Opponents but low Defended/Low Blocked/None-Dodging !


well one example of pokin a block char can be them smiters or hammies.
u bring them down to nearly death, they go "UH- O, I R DYIN, I QUICKLY CHARGE BACK TO TOWN AND AKARA WILL HELP ME!"
when they charge, their block turns to crap cause running/charging reduces block to like 25% or something, there will be ur chance. If u know how to namelock correctly,the pally is charging away and is synching away on ur screen, but u can still highlight his name (u will know what im talkin about if u pk alot vs pallys), u can tele on him and ur valk will immediately poke him when u land on him. and... well when they about to die (usually for this situation it be like 1-10 hp?) one poke will get him tongue.gif.
would be a great embarassment kill.

but ofc, if im the pally i would have just smite killed the zon with grief and not even be in that situation :S.
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Quote (Smart_Player @ Tue, 23 Sep 2008, 13:50)
Valkyrie is more useful on PvM - where Monsters are clueless and attack the Valkyrie cuz she has gone on front line , Tanking for the Amazon !
In PvP - it is a Good Living Shield and I don't see her Poking any other Opponents but low Defended/Low Blocked/None-Dodging !

Quote (and1balla_7 @ Tue, 23 Sep 2008, 13:57)
well one example of pokin a block char can be them smiters or hammies.
u bring them down to nearly death, they go "UH- O, I R DYIN, I QUICKLY CHARGE BACK TO TOWN AND AKARA WILL HELP ME!"
when they charge, their block turns to crap cause running/charging reduces block to like 25% or something, there will be ur chance. If u know how to namelock correctly,the pally is charging away and is synching away on ur screen, but u can still highlight his name (u will know what im talkin about if u pk alot vs pallys), u can tele on him and ur valk will immediately poke him when u land on him. and... well when they about to die (usually for this situation it be like 1-10 hp?) one poke will get him tongue.gif.
would be a great embarassment kill.

but ofc, if im the pally i would have just smite killed the zon with grief and not even be in that situation :S.

It's true that Charging/Running Pal with 75% CtBlock would drop to 25% CtBlock - but - thye still have Shitloads of Defense - which may discomfit Valkyrie's Poke - and how the heck an Amazon with 11th Frame Teleport (at most) - would "Catch" Charging Pal !? ^^

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Quote (Smart_Player @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 01:04am)
It's true that Charging/Running Pal with 75% CtBlock would drop to 25% CtBlock - but - thye still have Shitloads of Defense - which may discomfit Valkyrie's Poke - and how the heck an Amazon with 11th Frame Teleport (at most) - would "Catch" Charging Pal !? ^^


u didnt hear the thing i just said.
IF U HAVE PK'D VS MANY PALLYS BEFORE, u will understand how to tele on them when they charging off ur screen because their name will be visible on the screen for that what 3 secs or whatever, and thats MUCH enough time to namelock tele on them. And even at that, the pally usual gets surprised and even the valk misses u can switch to bow and arrow him quickly with him being 1hp...
This is called cutting the pally off in mid charge (the same way necros, and druids can do when they have minion stack when they tele on a dysenching away pally, u cut him off mid charge).

ur a Smart_Player like what u said, so u should know what cutting off mid charge is right dry.gif.

*i should have been more clear and said, namelock to cut him off the pally in mid-charge while he tries to desynch away. i think people will know that more then the way i described it in my previous post.
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Quote (and1balla_7 @ Tue, 23 Sep 2008, 14:11)
u didnt hear the thing i just said.
IF U HAVE PK'D VS MANY PALLYS BEFORE, u will understand how to tele on them when they charging off ur screen because their name will be visible on the screen for that what 3 secs or whatever, and thats MUCH enough time to namelock tele on them. And even at that, the pally usual gets surprised and even the valk misses u can switch to bow and arrow him quickly with him being 1hp...
This is called cutting the pally off in mid charge (the same way necros, and druids can do when they have minion stack when they tele on a dysenching away pally, u cut him off mid charge).

ur a Smart_Player like what u said, so u should know what cutting off mid charge is right dry.gif.

*i should have been more clear and said, namelock to cut him off the pally in mid-charge while he tries to desynch away. i think people will know that more then the way i described it in my previous post.

A Windy Catching a Pal with Namelock-Teleport is One (they have 10th Frame I guess) and an Amazon Catching a Pal with Namelock-Teleport is Other - Unbelievable ! What if the Pal is Teling Away !? He wth 9th Frame - and She with 11th Frame (at most) - She will Never Catch Him ! And even in 1 hp - He Can Surprisingly Make a Hammerfield (if Hammerdin) or Start Shift-Smite (if Smiter/Griefdin) - so when She Teles On Him - To Find Her Death ! ...
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P.S.: Telestomping a Hammerdin or a Smiter is something I would Think Twice - cuz it may Occur - to Complete only the Tele Part - not the Stomp Part - Injured to Death !

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Quote (and1balla_7 @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 05:57am)
well one example of pokin a block char can be them smiters or hammies.
u bring them down to nearly death, they go "UH- O, I R DYIN, I QUICKLY CHARGE BACK TO TOWN AND AKARA WILL HELP ME!"
when they charge, their block turns to crap cause running/charging reduces block to like 25% or something, there will be ur chance.  If u know how to namelock correctly,the pally is charging away and is synching away on ur screen, but u can still highlight his name (u will know what im talkin about if u pk alot vs pallys), u can tele on him and ur valk will immediately poke him when u land on him.  and... well when they about to die (usually for this situation it be like 1-10 hp?) one poke will get him tongue.gif.
would be a great embarassment kill.

but ofc, if im the pally i would have just smite killed the zon with grief and not even be in that situation :S.



That's the joy of having a valk.

I let her nk people too =/

Quote (Smart_Player @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 05:50am)
Valkyrie is more useful on PvM - where Monsters are clueless and attack the Valkyrie cuz she has gone on front line , Tanking for the Amazon !
In PvP - it is a Good Living Shield and I don't see her Poking any other Opponents but low Defended/Low Blocked/None-Dodging !


You'd be surprised.

My valk with a smiter's fanat or hammerdins convic can 1/4th a 5k life smiter in one hit.

and she can 1-3 hit 98% of amazons on east sin aura.

Quote (and1balla_7 @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 05:37am)
man i feel u, they dont realize what the tele stomp w/ the valk poke is.

i do this all the time if i wanna bm with my casters using their merc.  prime example, i go on necro, besides if i use vives and skeles, i get Durga and ofc...
amp + durga poke = ouch very bad ouchie.

and it looks the perfect way for that valk in ur build.  when they brought to like 1hp due to the psn and ow, just stomp the guy and valk will get an auto hit.

i never knew maxing valk gives it the ability to be immune to elements like shadow master :S.
ur valk would be a good tank if u bo'd her too smile.gif.

u should go bm duel and sorc chant + barb bo, and oak druid with might/pride merc ohmy.gif.  u can get like a town hug valk caster tongue.gif.




My valk can kill merces, but depending on the level and weapon-role, merces can be far better. But who has 50k to keep resummoning? I just hit f4.


Quote (Smart_Player @ Tue, Sep 23 2008, 04:48am)
Ever faced Impossible Opponent in 1v1 so far (BMing probably) ?
P.S.: Btw - if you have to choose between KB and CtC Life Tap which would you go for ?


One guy. Random here on jsp, but he was using a hammerdin/smite/charge hybrid with mass resists, psn reduce, antidotes, slow, Hf, RA, I can't remember the other mods.

but it wasn't a complete annihilation. Granted I never killed him, I also never played solely defensive vs. him.

Quote (general_patton @ Mon, Sep 22 2008, 07:24pm)
I saw "zon" and "teleport' in the same post, so I considered bashing this guide, however there are almost fifty pages doing so already, so I assumed it would be redundant.


That's 50 pages of me correcting, numb nuts.

clearly you have no idea what you're talking about if you're dissing all teleport amazons.

Quote (poz @ Mon, Sep 22 2008, 03:34pm)
Very good guide. Again though, poison = BM.


Rules Smules wink.gif

It's legit and natural to the game at least.

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Sep 24 2008 02:51am
Iif you have to choose between KB and CtC Life Tap which would you go for ?
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Quote (Smart_Player @ Wed, Sep 24 2008, 03:51am)
Iif you have to choose between KB and CtC Life Tap which would you go for ?


Depends on the duel.

Say if you duel a vita sorc with an ass load of bmanas (2-3k life 4-6k mana +/-) I'd use the open wounds, since my phys dmg won't be able to pierce the mana quick enough.

max block chars - use open wounds. Your phys dmg isn't high enough to depend on, but open wounds does dmg until your next hit.

Just experiment, you'll find where u like it.
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Sep 24 2008 05:05pm
Hold me master!!!
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Sep 24 2008 07:16pm
I am currently finding the 175/20s for my zon and it's pretty much impossible.
I love the guide although and the character although I find getting OW off on most sorcs is quite hard. Do you have any specific techniques other than telestomping a sorc and trying your hardest to land a hit and get the OW?

Edit: Post # 500 ftw.

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