you know grief has DS on it too man ^^

Right, sorry.

Well I'll assume he didn't use gores since he didn't mention them, so the odds would still be well below 1 in 20,000. Even if it were Grief, gores, AND highlords, the % of it critting every time would be 0.6949% or 1 in 145 20-trial runs.

I'll assume he did use gores as he was worried about cb.

And this is assuming you've worked it out correct, refer to tudey's guide for the calculation on double damage

I did, and used other sources as well.

And that is with a level 99 barb (37% highlords) which I assume he didn't use, so the chances would be even lower than 0.6949%.

Also, tudey's guide suggests war travs, so I assume the tests were done with those.

Although I must say I highly agree with his 10fcr rings over ravens vs most casters!

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 21 2012 11:09am

I think this argument is pretty pointless. The evidence is clear, from my own tests a long time ago and the new tests performed now. And also there's a considerable amount of top players saying that my build made a significant difference in their ability to win duels - which is what really matters at the end of the day, even if grief had higher damage (it doesn't) it wouldn't matter if top players still performed better on a balanced EDC build.

This post was edited by tudey on Mar 21 2012 11:11am

Anecdotal evidence is not to be taken seriously. The novelty of a new weapon could have made them play better. Doesn't make the weapon mathematically better.

Since the only test I've seen (which jeebus posted) is clearly giving false results (no crits on Grief, the 5 highest hits on EDC are somehow significantly higher than Grief, even though Grief has considerably higher max damage), I'd like to see other tests.

Theoretically, the calculations I've done place Grief significantly higher in average damage.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 21 2012 11:17am

really good mathematically to claim the results are false when they aren't what u want ^^

No, either the tests are performed wrong or he simply lied, as I explained above.

u didnt explain anything, u tried to find fault a few times and got corrected.

Your calculations on DS were wrong, I cant be bothered to find the relevant equations in tudey's guide but its there

that just means you probably used the wrong formula for the calculations. That's why the information provided by the calculations holds no real value.
And anecdotal evidence does hold a value of its own. Sure it cannot be used to establish a cause-effect relationship but that's not really what matters in d2. The important thing is if you win the duels or not.


or your hypothesis is false and thus everything derived from it is false too.

This post was edited by tudey on Mar 21 2012 11:23am