na he cant use griffs, he'd lose life + dr

but i dunno... erik and dave used t/vs i believe and they were #1 and #2 on old school ladder. they had 5556foh so they had to be t/vs

bib altho im not sure what he is is really gg too

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 10:53am

The thing is what is foh going to do with a light res build 85% light res + wisp on a well stacked hammerdin? The thing is its not like foh vs hammer as if you stomp you eat a faceful of smite on the other hand some of the good v/ts ive faced mixed in desync smite as well as delayed blindspot smiting. With just the standard go south and foh and smite air does not work vs decent players..

This post was edited by halo273 on Jul 21 2009 10:54am

if the T/v switch to cta he will die fast. Even worst if he's using griff

lol

europe vt vs vt setup is like different world for east players, we have 35% slow, stacked ias to counter opponents slow,life tap, stacked res, max dr, hl for extra ds + some extra lr, also using oak from whisp is pretty standard
tv's cant match this
btw if u didnt know there exist someting like conv bug, u can easily nagate opponents higher conv with your lower one

This post was edited by Flipme on Jul 21 2009 11:07am

agree with this switching means he will lose his smite dmg if hes cought with scepter out then on the other hand he losses pdr + life from using griffons meaning he will be cut down in seconds

yeah flashing conviction is a bug that means the server can't tell who has the higher conviction still quite usefull in dueling.. especially duels like this

This post was edited by halo273 on Jul 21 2009 10:57am

If a t/v hits w and has griff he becomes a foh basically u w smite when distance is closed. I have never had a problem doing this mainly because the foh damage hurts enough that 1 foh and most will charge u desperately. if the other player acts impulsively like this you get the upper hand. and conviction bug has never given me an issue with this possibly bc ladder vts don't know how to use it.

Vt> foh whats your point?

charge? you'll get a tele smite in the face if you start with defensive foh

you cant use griffs in vt vs vt.... the lack of dr + life will get you killed.

as for them charging at your blindly.. yea that play style is very common. once u foh them once of twice, they will charge to try and smite you. flash hf and synch away throwin random fohs and synching smiting them back b4 runnin away again.

its kinda hard to explain... vt vs vt is mostly about timing and experience and a good namelocks (no misclicks etc)

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 11:05am

http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=3532193

^ Using this as a calculator and assuming we're using shako, 9x pcombs, nigma, + 2 skill ammy, grief, hoz, dungos, some rings, some boots:

15 points into smite (What bui suggested in his guide):

191 - 194 (base damage on up'd hoz)
153-156 (lvl 44 holy shield)
400 damage from grief
744 - 750 damage

585% ed from smite (lvl 39)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number, it could be +/- a few points)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1379% ed total
=

11,003 - 11,092 (11,047 average) total total smite damage.

Now if we used the same set-up, but max smite:

Base damage remains the same as above

660% ed from smite (lvl 44)
200% ed from strength (200's a nice even number)
594% ed from fanatacism (lvl 33)
1454% ed total

=

11,561 - 11,655 (11,608 average) total smite damage

= 561 difference

561 / 6 (pvp penalty) = 93 damage
93 / 2 (50% dr on opponent) = 46 damage

My argument is still the same.

I used on-screen damage because, well, it's easier than having to go through and calculate it. That number is off by a little bit (I just used an estimate for strength, and the damage is higher with 2x bks, which I didn't include), but the point doesn't change.

I think you're the moron for requiring me to spell it out for you.

yea but thats 46 damage vs 4000 defense xD

46 damage wont make that much of a difference if you are slamming someone with smite up against a wall. but 4000 defensive can mean a hit or a miss. also dont u get 1% more block too?

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 02:34pm