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Compared to Griefs 400+ minimum dmg which is entirely affected by ED%, nearly the same max as EDC, combined with the crit % from gores (he didn't mention boots in his setup), highlords, and mastery which gives very high DS%, EDC would offer very little advantage and would only negate the crit % from mastery.



YES, it does! The best way to calculate Grief damage is to take the +400 damage and add it to the base weapon damage.

EDC is nowhere near as good as Grief.

easy to say all this shit. but where's the proof???

One guy has already run a damage test on both weapons proving tudey's build to be better, and 2 top barb players have confirmed ( and shown on vid ) they have a better damage output with EDC.

I've done the calculations before.

Running a test with one specific setup vs another specific character is hardly a controlled experiment. Did he test it against different DR% chars, different defence chars, different life chars?

And he ran a TWENTY hit trial. Talk about skewed results.

PLUS, there is something very very wrong about his Grief results. It would mean that either he not ONCE hit DS% over 20 hits with oveer 75% crit chance, or hit it every time.... the hits wouldn't be so consistent when he doesn't have a 100% crit chance. Plus, he DOES have 100% crit chance with EDC yet there are hits below 197 (impossible to not crit).

It doesn't make sense.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 21 2012 10:15am

he said what he tested against in his post, and why test it against different DR% loool, DR% iwill apply the same to both weapons. Why different def character too lol, he's only recording the hits, def dont mean shit in this regard unless u believe this bullshit rumour that high def makes u hit min damage more.

Different life characters. .. lol... He said he did it against a high life character so that he'd know when a CB was procing ( which makes sense ), how would doing it on different life characters affect the amount of damage per hit ^^...



God do you have like no understanding of math at all ^^.. with crits its perfectly possible to get 200 damage rolls vs 50% DR characters that he tested vs,, I explained why here:




This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Mar 21 2012 10:17am

No, the range is too wide. The absolute MINIMUM hit of EDC (considering he has 100% chance to crit) would be higher based on the maximum hit. It is literally impossible.

Also, even if it were possible, it doesn't make up for the impossible results of Grief.

what are u talking about lol? Have you never heard of an inven full of +3 max damage scs?

And tell me why the results for grief are impossible ^

Yea good point, Ok i'll even give you that the EDC results are possible.

But Grief are absolutely not:

1 456
2 467
3 550
4 447
5 468
6 474
7 467
8 439
9 440
10 435
11 440
12 489
13 457
14 439
15 467
16 489
17 466
18 512
19 456
20 433

Lowest hit 433, highest hit 550. This would imply either 100% or 0% crit chance. Considering the Grief setup cannot have 100% crit chance, and uses highlords (and probably gores), the chances of not hitting a crit or hitting a crit every time are RIDICULOUSLY low. If crits were hit, you would expect the highest hit to be at least significantly higher, if not double or more of the minimum hit.

lol, work out the probability first, and before you say its ridiculously low ^^

The chance of hitting a crit every time, with a 52% DS (gores+highlords) and a 22% mastery crit chance (applied separately based on damage calculation) is 0.003656% or about 1 in 27,500 experiments of 20 trials.

The chances of hitting no crits is considerably lower.

52% DS and 22% mastery result in a 60% chance to crit.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 21 2012 10:43am