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Aug 13 2011 04:36pm
If I was making a ghost on a budget (plain 2-20-2 circ), like 3/10-12/20's etc and was only intending to duel casters (no gvg, barbs, pallies, etc) would skimping on a fools claw be practical? I could only get a low ed 1 socket non eth fools anyway, and I wouldn't be dueling mass defense stuff (no tvt so no barb shout either).

Nice guide, etc ^^ was fun reading through all the pages too
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Aug 13 2011 04:40pm
Quote (Myrddrall9 @ Aug 13 2011 06:36pm)
If I was making a ghost on a budget (plain 2-20-2 circ), like 3/10-12/20's etc and was only intending to duel casters (no gvg, barbs, pallies, etc) would skimping on a fools claw be practical?  I could only get a low ed 1 socket non eth fools anyway, and I wouldn't be dueling mass defense stuff (no tvt so no barb shout either).

Nice guide, etc ^^ was fun reading through all the pages too


it could work fine. but a fools will out damage a fury for certain. but if u really cant afford a fools, feral fury + wsm works as well
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Aug 13 2011 04:44pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Aug 13 2011 06:40pm)
it could work fine. but a fools will out damage a fury for certain. but if u really cant afford a fools, feral fury + wsm works as well


That's what I figured, thanks ^^
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Aug 13 2011 05:02pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ 13 Aug 2011 23:07)
I've tested all of that already.

1) Sacrificing the pts into CB and going for 60% is ok..... but not really worth it to put into wof. if u need to max out something else, than sure... but no for wof. also i'm pretty sure that with 4-5 extra pts into wof wont get to 1k  damage cuz right now with 1 pt it does 33-38 damage and next level is 36-42. the 5 extra points might be enough to get it to 100 damage and that doesnt hurt at all.... let me do some math out for u. 100/4=25 x.25 (75% res) = 6.25 per wof.... basically gonna do crap damage w/ wof anyway

now u ask me... but what if 5 wofs hit... thats not too bad right? well yes, but most opponents WILL wsg out the moment they see fire. the only thing keeping them in is fast ww or dclaw. and if ur attacking... ur not gonna really have time to put more than 1-3 wofs down at once. in fact, i actually use Ls+wof a lot more than just wof alone because once ur opponent is mb'd they get swirlies. a hit of any caliber will put them in fhr... so basically if i can use ls (faster and longer range) to get that 1 hit in, then i can have enough time to "follow up" with other stuff....

2) LoLo is bad.... DS has diminishing returns after so much.... highlords already gives u 37%.... anything past 50% is kinda bleh imo
3) LoUm is an option... but only if ur fools claw is strong enough to do mass damage (aka d2pk claw). if u use a 250 max damage claw dont bother. the ow will be more useful cuz even if DS does go off, it wont hurt all that much


First of all, thanks for the quick reply. Nice to see people are still so actively interested in D2 :)!

A few remarks. Lets say you use this setup:

Vision circ with mods (40ed/15ias - ber)

Gores

Fools with Um + Lo, rest of eq the same as yours.

Then in inv have:

9 GC shadows. So i have 8 more skillpoints to use (4 from fade and 4 from CB). Now let's say I only want 60% Cb. You stated that only saves 5 points, but 60-62% CB is 10 points. So now i have 18 skillpoints to use. That would put WoF at about 160ish. Yeah might not be enough anyway.
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Aug 13 2011 05:09pm
Quote (Sapientos @ Aug 13 2011 07:02pm)
First of all, thanks for the quick reply. Nice to see people are still so actively interested in D2 :)!

A few remarks. Lets say you use this setup:

Vision circ with mods (40ed/15ias - ber)

Gores

Fools with Um + Lo, rest of eq the same as yours.

Then in inv have:

9 GC shadows. So i have 8 more skillpoints to use (4 from fade and 4 from CB). Now let's say I only want 60% Cb. You stated that only saves 5 points, but 60-62% CB is 10 points. So now i have 18 skillpoints to use. That would put WoF at about 160ish. Yeah might not be enough anyway.


my guide that i wrote here isnt the one i use as my main sin. my sin costs 145,000fg to build and basically no one would invest that much into a ghost unless they love it as much as i do. i made a simplified version of the guide so get the point across and point people in the right direction.

my current build uses 61% block.... the reason i do not get 62% is to save room in my inventory for 32020s - which gives me more AR and damage

if u use ber + 40/15 ur gonna be lacking AR pretty bad... stat enough pts to get 61% block and for all the other points, just take out shadow gcs and replace them w/ 32020s. each gc u replace = 2 pts needed so at lvl 26 (60%) to lvl 31 (61%) thats 5 pts.... this means u need to pump those 5 pts into claw block and take out 2 or so shadow gcs for 32020s....

remember that u still need to get 27% FHR (either sheal or fhr shadow gcs)...

if u want more damage, and dont care for 1% block, just use 60% block and the as much 32020s as possible to see real optimized results for gores. its personal preference

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 13 2011 05:11pm
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Aug 14 2011 09:08am
frw is important, the damage difference is so small but the mobility difference is very useful (especially if all you duel are paladins).

@myddrall: imo on budget sins ar>life on charms, and if you have high ar charms your ar will be perfectly fine without a fools vs most opponents anyway (like 10k with a vis and 8k without, or 11k vis/9k without if you have a +ed/ar claw).

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frw is important, the damage difference is so small but the mobility difference is very useful (especially if all you duel are paladins).

@myddrall: imo on budget sins ar>life on charms, and if you have high ar charms your ar will be perfectly fine without a fools vs most opponents anyway (like 10k with a vis and 8k without, or 11k vis/9k without if you have a +ed/ar claw).


Ah I see ^^ (I was getting like 5.6k on chaos with those charms in single player), though what I might end up doing is just swapping over my barb's inventory lol (3/17+/20s, and some res charms)

EDIT:Then i could afford a half decent fools too (at least like 240+ ed) and a 2/20/2/mana circ or something ><

This post was edited by Myrddrall9 on Aug 14 2011 12:55pm
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Aug 14 2011 01:30pm
aznmasta have you ever tried to go with 15 fhr instead of 30?
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Aug 14 2011 02:01pm
Fury remains a solid choice.Even though fools with mass ed will out-damage it.But lets remember that rare claws dont exactly grow in trees.
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Aug 14 2011 02:21pm
Quote (MoXeR @ Aug 14 2011 03:30pm)
aznmasta have you ever tried to go with 15 fhr instead of 30?


way too little

its either 27 or 48fhr..... i prefer 48, but sometimes its too much of a sacrifice to get :/ so i went w/ 27 for 65fcr setup
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