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Nov 24 2009 02:26pm
Quote (Hajonston @ Nov 24 2009 08:12pm)
Like I said, that only matters for setting up the initial hit.
Yeah if you're on a blank field chasing a necro across the entire blood moor / cold plains, yeah its easier to set up an initial hit for the lock with LS with its faster startup delay. But assuming you exploit the natures of traps being traps and the fact that you can spam WoF randomly and the second they teleport past one as you MB them, it will lock them up, thats what makes it work. I think you guys are just too used to l8z vs l8z and calling it dueling. If you're not just teleporting at 180 degree angle from the other player, then wof can setup traps much better (landing in a WoF is a billion times harder to WSG your way out of than landing in LS. Hell, you don't even need to WSG against LS, you can walk straight out normally).

so WoF takes advantage of how much better it is once the lock is landed (which it is).
and my build doesn't revolve around dealing damage like a crappy hybrid or ghost, it revolves 100% around stunning them. Its as close as you can get to a pure MB-sin.

What if the nec takes advantage of puddles to walk wof and does not do blind teles into the middle of wof trap fields? More importantly, what if a shaman hostiles you and grizzlystomps on top of you while you are busy mbing the nec? Is wof delay long enough that combined with the players reaction time the grizzly can score a kill? or is 174 mb fast enough that you can switch to mbing the shaman (.2 sec reflex time assumed) and get those defensive wof under your feet to hit, or are they fast enough to tele away? on that note, are grizzly stomps a problem since you use spirit shield or do you find you can hold your own vs shamans on this type of trapper build?
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What if the nec takes advantage of puddles to walk wof and does not do blind teles into the middle of wof trap fields? More importantly, what if a shaman hostiles you and grizzlystomps on top of you while you are busy mbing the nec? Is wof delay long enough that combined with the players reaction time the grizzly can score a kill? or is 174 mb fast enough that you can switch to mbing the shaman (.2 sec reflex time assumed) and get those defensive wof under your feet to hit, or are they fast enough to tele away? on that note, are grizzly stomps a problem since you use spirit shield or do you find you can hold your own vs shamans on this type of trapper build?


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What if the nec takes advantage of puddles to walk wof and does not do blind teles into the middle of wof trap fields? More importantly, what if a shaman hostiles you and grizzlystomps on top of you while you are busy mbing the nec? Is wof delay long enough that combined with the players reaction time the grizzly can score a kill? or is 174 mb fast enough that you can switch to mbing the shaman (.2 sec reflex time assumed) and get those defensive wof under your feet to hit, or are they fast enough to tele away? on that note, are grizzly stomps a problem since you use spirit shield or do you find you can hold your own vs shamans on this type of trapper build?


incorrect.

Before the shaman hostiles you, he casts a boulder at you and TPPK's to town.
You should have hostiled him first.
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Quote (tudey @ Nov 24 2009 03:27pm)
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Was my gozi 1-210 LS damage that killed clown_irage
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Quote (Hajonston @ 24 Nov 2009 21:12)
Like I said, that only matters for setting up the initial hit.
Yeah if you're on a blank field chasing a necro across the entire blood moor / cold plains, yeah its easier to set up an initial hit for the lock with LS with its faster startup delay. But assuming you exploit the natures of traps being traps and the fact that you can spam WoF randomly and the second they teleport past one as you MB them, it will lock them up, thats what makes it work. I think you guys are just too used to l8z vs l8z and calling it dueling. If you're not just teleporting at 180 degree angle from the other player, then wof can setup traps much better (landing in a WoF is a billion times harder to WSG your way out of than landing in LS. Hell, you don't even need to WSG against LS, you can walk straight out normally).

so WoF takes advantage of how much better it is once the lock is landed (which it is).
and my build doesn't revolve around dealing damage like a crappy hybrid or ghost, it revolves 100% around stunning them. Its as close as you can get to a pure MB-sin.
(note: I almost never, ever use kicks. Kicking risks breaking a traplock. Only time I'll use kicks is against sorb or when I'm bodyblocking a WSG, especially nunu or dudu)


sounds like wsg spear food to me
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Nov 24 2009 02:29pm
Quote (tudey @ 24 Nov 2009 22:21)
yet that was NOT what I was talking about

what are you going to do AFTER you got a wof firing and he wsgs away it
when you cast new wofs, he has plenty of time to wsg out of their range before they even start firing


answer ??

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Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 24 2009 02:28pm)
sounds like wsg spear food to me


sounds like "stutter movement while spamming so as not to be a stationary target" food to me.

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Keep spamming MB and WoF O_o
i can just hold down MB to stop most characters from casting in the first place anyway

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Nov 24 2009 02:32pm
Quote (Hajonston @ Nov 24 2009 03:30pm)
sounds like "stutter movement while spamming so as not to be a stationary target" food to me.



Keep spamming MB and WoF O_o
i can just hold down MB to stop most characters from casting in the first place anyway


1-210 LS damage rapes.
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Nov 24 2009 02:34pm
Quote (Hajonston @ 24 Nov 2009 21:30)
sounds like "stutter movement while spamming so as not to be a stationary target" food to me.



Keep spamming MB and WoF O_o
i can just hold down MB to stop most characters from casting in the first place anyway


y not like you can't just aim spears while sitting near a puddle to minimise damage or anything, spearwalking is used by all good assassins and any good necro should be able to combat it.

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Nov 24 2009 02:36pm
Quote (Hajonston @ 24 Nov 2009 22:30)
sounds like "stutter movement while spamming so as not to be a stationary target" food to me.



Keep spamming MB and WoF O_o
i can just hold down MB to stop most characters from casting in the first place anyway


but still, the wofs wont hit him
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