I dissagree extra foh dmg makes very little difference after a standard hammerdin with 85% res + abs however as calculated eariler that extra smite dmg is not so negligable

the smite damage is useless against hammerdins, unless the hammerdin is retarded.. most of VT vs hammerdin matchup would be like a foher vs hammerdin, and only after forcing the hammerdin to make a mistake, you can use smite to go in for the kill.. imo if you go straight through, you'll just get owned by the invi hammerfields..

This post was edited by ashwinthegrim on Jul 21 2009 10:37am

''unless the hammerdin is retarded'' the vt/tv shouldn't win

but don't you think better foh will give the VT a better chance? rather than a better smite?

who said its useless lol, its only 800dmg less than his build if u take into account res + pvp penalty foh dmg will be almost the same, once again i dont know how the fuck u force necs to come closer with foh u cant touch him when he has golem + oak out (+ some res even if u manage to hit him with random foh it does close to nothing)

This post was edited by Flipme on Jul 21 2009 10:42am

no

hdin is still >

This post was edited by Aube on Jul 21 2009 10:45am

because after realizing they cant hit u otherwise they get anxious.... then make mistakes (leaving themselves unguarded by spirits etc)

im not saying a vt can kill a good necro. thats impossible if the necro knows what to do, but what i am saying is the 75fcr with high foh can cause necs to lose more

btw oak is bm on east. so its 50/50 chance to hit necro, and most of the time its not that hard if ur quick with namelock foh then tele away



hdin should still win, HOWEVER, more foh does help more.... infact, if it gets bad, u can honestly go all out foh (foh stick, griffs etc and spam 1 foh or two and run away off screen etc to repeat) and smite only when he stomps

on a pure vt, u'd be hopeless. at least with a tv u have a chance

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 10:45am

I have a very similar T/v build to his(only I get my -150 conviction) and with a grief/ ber shako setup I break 5k foh keep in mind thats w/o my foh cta or a torch. I had a v/t as well but with -150 conviction and maxed foh there is def a difference. and if u maxed smite and hs I don't see ur foh standing up vs a t/v's mainly due to conviction differences.

Btw Azn Masta I'm building the hybrid sin and pumped nice guide there too and gg circlet.

This post was edited by myfryhole on Jul 21 2009 10:47am

vt vs tv V/t should win. this matchup shouldnt be based on conv. it will be nagated anyway

see it may come down to the player but I disagree if the t/v switches to his cta stick and his griff the v/t will have to compensate with res gear and this leaves him weaker to smite.
both builds are all about balance.

This post was edited by myfryhole on Jul 21 2009 10:50am